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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:50am On Sep 02, 2023
Courz:


I don't know why this is so difficult for JWs to understand. Never has the Bible ever called Jesus Angel Michael. Even before Jesus was born on earth, never did Angel Gabriel say he is Angel Michael to be reborn. Even in Genesis, never will you see God calling Jesus Angel Michael. Their Watchtower says Jesus was named Angel Michael before he was born. Where is the evidence to this in the Bible? You can't find it. The book of Hebrews even showed it very clear to us that Jesus is not an Angel. You have also shown that Angels have their limitations as to what they can do which is not the case with Jesus.

Why is the Bible so difficult for JWs to accept? Because there is something spiritual going on with JWs that makes them not to see what you point out to them from the Bible and they don't accept what the Bible says but only what Watchtower says.
Continue WAILING & LYINGgrin grin

1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28 imprint it into your brain.
The voice of Archangel Michael the person of Jesus Christ raises the dead.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 11:52am On Sep 02, 2023
Janosky:

Continue WAILING & LYINGgrin grin

1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28 imprint it into your brain.
The voice of Archangel Michael the person of Jesus Christ raises the dead.

Mumu Janosky aka SubPlot aka the Iberibe Master aka Janonsense, if Jesus is an archangel simply because he is coming with an Archangel's voice, is he also a commanding shout and a trumpet of God since he is also coming with those too? You are afraid to answer me abi?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 11:58am On Sep 02, 2023
Mumu Janosky, you say because Angels are called Sons of God and Jesus is also Son of God, therefore Jesus is an Angel. You even say Jesus is a Minister just as Angels are ministers. How about followers of Christ who are also called Sons of God and Ministers, are they Angels too? Why can't you use your brain for once and stop smoking that Igbo? Why? sad
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:10pm On Sep 02, 2023
There's no need arguing fruitlessly, with all the arguments i'm sure the OP has picked one or two things he can use in the Bible to challenge the JW.
According to the OP today is D-Day.

Let him prove his visitors wrong! smiley

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Prosper1912: 12:16pm On Sep 02, 2023
Janosky:

Continue WAILING & LYINGgrin grin

1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28 imprint it into your brain.
The voice of Archangel Michael the person of Jesus Christ raises the dead.

@janosky leave them dem dey contradict them selve
He brother @Dtruthspeaker talk say for john 1 vs 1 the word of GOD na voice wey be Jesus Christ,
So wenti come dey hard them to see say that same voice of archangel Michael na the same person as Jesus Christ.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:21pm On Sep 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
There's no need arguing fruitlessly, with all the arguments i'm sure the OP has picked one or two things he can use in the Bible to challenge the JW.
According to the OP today is D-Day.

Let him prove his visitors wrong! smiley

Oh you are now saying no need to argue because we have shown from the Bible exactly why this your doctrine is demonic. The Bible never called Jesus Angel Michael. God himself never called him Angel Michael. Jesus himself never said he is Angel Michael. From Genesis to Revelation, you will never see the words Jesus is Angel Michael in Heaven. Jesus is Angel Michael. Jesus is known as Angel Michael in heaven before he was born. These are what Watchtower claimed with no Biblical evidence. And you know your Watchtower are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. How can you argue over what will soon have New Light?

Now Because we have shown how faulty your logic are in concluding, you are now ashamed and are now saying no need to argue. I thought you will come here with your usual arrogant self to argue. Ewu!

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Emusan(m): 12:32pm On Sep 02, 2023
Courz:


Oh you are now saying no need to argue because we have shown from the Bible exactly why this your doctrine is demonic. The Bible never called Jesus Angel Michael. God himself never called him Angel Michael. Jesus himself never said he is Angel Michael. From Genesis to Revelation, you will never see the words Jesus is Angel Michael in Heaven. Jesus is Angel Michael. Jesus is known as Angel Michael in heaven before he was born. These are what Watchtower claimed with no Biblical evidence. And you know your Watchtower are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. How can you argue over what will soon have New Light?

Now Because we have shown how faulty your logic are in concluding, you are now ashamed and are now saying no need to argue. I thought you will come here with your usual arrogant self to argue. Ewu!

Are you not familiar with that statement from him?

That's his usual escape route when his lies are exposed.

cheesy grin cheesy grin

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:39pm On Sep 02, 2023
Courz:


Oh you are now saying no need to argue because we have shown from the Bible exactly why this your doctrine is demonic. The Bible never called Jesus Angel Michael. God himself never called him Angel Michael. Jesus himself never said he is Angel Michael. From Genesis to Revelation, you will never see the words Jesus is Angel Michael in Heaven. Jesus is Angel Michael. Jesus is known as Angel Michael in heaven before he was born. These are what Watchtower claimed with no Biblical evidence. And you know your Watchtower are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. How can you argue over what will soon have New Light?

Now Because we have shown how faulty your logic are in concluding, you are now ashamed and are now saying no need to argue. I thought you will come here with your usual arrogant self to argue. Ewu!

It's OK he is now ready to prove the JWs wrong! wink

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:41pm On Sep 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


It's OK he is now ready to prove the JWs wrong! wink

Of course, with Bible Verses not assumptions from Men who have claimed they are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. How can you listen to Men who have admitted that their doctrines are mistakes? It is better to follow the Bible than following the words of men that change.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Prosper1912: 12:54pm On Sep 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


It's OK he is now ready to prove the JWs wrong! wink
Where e wan start from when e nor get anything sensible and reasonable to say.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:56pm On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:

Where e wan start from when e nor get anything sensible and reasonable to say.

Have you said anything reasonable so far with your Poor English? I asked you to prove 1914 from the Bible, you couldn't do it. Have you even proved with Bible Verses that Jesus is Angel Michael? All you have been doing is quoting people up and down asking them stupid questions. So, what have you contributed other than your Poor English?

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:37pm On Sep 02, 2023
Courz:

Of course, with Bible Verses not assumptions from Men who have claimed they are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. How can you listen to Men who have admitted that their doctrines are mistakes? It is better to follow the Bible than following the words of men that change.
It's OK delkuf can decide on his own as for me the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are my teacher! smiley

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:38pm On Sep 02, 2023
Prosper1912:

Where e wan start from when e nor get anything sensible and reasonable to say.
No one can decide for delkuf now everyone has presented their opinion.

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 3:47pm On Sep 02, 2023
Janosky:


Archangel Michael copied "the Lord JEHOVAH rebuke you" from Zechariah 3:2.

"The Lord JEHOVAH is referenced @ Jude 1:9.

Case closed.

Heeey, jw! It is better to be silent than to speak lies.

Arc Michael cannot copy future Zechariah!

Clearly, You have no valid counter!
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 4:02pm On Sep 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

It's OK delkuf can decide on his own as for me the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are my teacher! smiley

No. The Governing body are not your teacher. They are your God because you disregard the words of Almighty God and Jesus and uplift the words of your Governing body who have admitted that their doctrines are mistakes. Your prefer their mistakes to the words of God.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:18pm On Sep 02, 2023
Courz:

No. The Governing body are not your teacher. They are your God because you disregard the words of Almighty God and Jesus and uplift the words of your Governing body who have admitted that their doctrines are mistakes. Your prefer their mistakes to the words of God.

No wahala that's my own cup of coffee! smiley

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 5:20pm On Sep 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


No wahala that's my own cup of coffee! smiley

Yes. It must be only your cup of coffee and not others. Thank God for that.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:30pm On Sep 02, 2023
Courz:

Yes. It must be only your cup of coffee and not others. Thank God for that.
So i'm free to discuss with anyone who will like it the same way i do! smiley

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Prosper1912: 5:49pm On Sep 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

So i'm free to discuss with anyone who will like it the same way i do! smiley
U lie
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 5:50pm On Sep 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

So i'm free to discuss with anyone who will like it the same way i do! smiley

And we are free to showcase your stupidity anywhere you show it.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:10pm On Sep 02, 2023
Courz:

And we are free to showcase your stupidity anywhere you show it.
And i'm free to ignore! smiley

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 6:24pm On Sep 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

And i'm free to ignore! smiley

Good. Why you no get this sense since? You are the same person who will condemn ExJWs claiming you have nothing to do with them, calling them Faithless Miscreants. Yet the same you will be in our threads.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:51pm On Sep 04, 2023
delkuf:
I had this argument recently with a jw and he showed me some bible verses that angel Michael is Jesus Christ. I must confess this guy almost won me and over with his argument. So I want to ask, can anyone bring out bible verses to refute this claim.



I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. I just want bible verses to refute this because the jw is coming on Saturday to continue this argument

There is something else I want to show you that you can also show the JW. Show the below publication directly from their website, specifically the highlighted part with yellow colour. Ask the JW why they made this statement and at the same time teach another contradicting doctrine. I am sure you will laugh at the response you will get. If the JW wants to deviate, keep showing him or her this publication below. The publication is Watchtower February 15 paragraph 15,1991.

I am showing this to you to prove to you that the doctrines of JW are like weather. Remember the verse that talks about people being blown about by every wind of doctrine? That's JW. They can print a publication that says one thing and the next week or year can print another publication that says the opposite of what they printed earlier. It shows that sometimes they forget their previous statements or lies.

Also, the 2nd pic is the real definition of being blown about by every wind of doctrine. The pic is showing you JWs teachings of who is Angel Michael starting from their founder, Charles Taze Russell. Their founder was even correct in Number 1 below but changed it and as their leaders change, their doctrines changed as well. You can see where they said Michael is Jesus in Number 3, they started it with an Assumption. Could it be that Michael is Jesus? It seems that Michael is Jesus. Therefore, he is Jesus. grin

This is to tell you that you cannot trust their doctrines. This is also proof of someone not being guided by the Holy Spirit as tbeir leaders have admitted. You can search for these publications cited in the pic to see for yourself.

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 3:09pm On Sep 04, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Heeey, jw! It is better to be silent than to speak lies.

Arc Michael cannot copy future Zechariah!

Clearly, You have no valid counter!

MUMU LYING DSPEAKER,who is your "future Zechariah!"

Prophet Zechariah ,writer of the book of Zechariah is NOT your "future Zechariah!"

MUMU LIAR grin

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 3:14pm On Sep 04, 2023
Courz:


And we are free to showcase your stupidity anywhere you show it.

IBERIBEIST WAILER EXPOSING his sifia pains. grin grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 3:29pm On Sep 04, 2023
Courz:


There is something else I want to show you that you can also show the JW. Show the below publication directly from their website, specifically the highlighted part with yellow colour. Ask the JW why they made this statement and at the same time teach another contradicting doctrine. I am sure you will laugh at the response you will get. If the JW wants to deviate, keep showing him or her this publication below. The publication is Watchtower February 15 paragraph 15,1991.

I am showing this to you to prove to you that the doctrines of JW are like weather. Remember the verse that talks about people being blown about by every wind of doctrine? That's JW. They can print a publication that says one thing and the next week or year can print another publication that says the opposite of what they printed earlier. It shows that sometimes they forget their previous statements or lies.

Also, the 2nd pic is the real definition of being blown about by every wind of doctrine. The pic is showing you JWs teachings of who is Angel Michael starting from their founder, Charles Taze Russell. Their founder was even correct in Number 1 below but changed it and as their leaders change, their doctrines changed as well. You can see where they said Michael is Jesus in Number 3, they started it with an Assumption. Could it be that Michael is Jesus? It seems that Michael is Jesus. Therefore, he is Jesus. grin

This is to tell you that you cannot trust their doctrines. This is also proof of someone not being guided by the Holy Spirit as tbeir leaders have admitted. You can search for these publications cited in the pic to see for yourself.

MEANING of SOME....

some
/sʌm,s(ə)m/
determiner
an unspecified amount or number of.
"Unspecified number of angels"
God sent the seed of Genesis 3:15, Archangel Michael who was made manifest @ Rev 12:7-9/1 John 3:8 to defeat the serpent, Satan the devil.

pronoun
an unspecified number or amount of people or things.



First evidence against Courz IBERIBEISM & EXPOSING his buffoonery & LYING.
2nd evidence:
Christendom's screenshot Courz CHANGE am say nah JW.

grin grin grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Steep(m): 3:40pm On Sep 04, 2023
Khallicopyro:
Ask him why God had to send his only son down to earth to die for us before he (God) can forgive our sins.

Ask him if Adam and Eve where the first humans God created and Cain and Abel their first and second son. Then who did Cain marry when he ran away after killing Abel? Who created the people in that place in ran to?
Jesus is not an angel. He is God.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Steep(m): 3:48pm On Sep 04, 2023
delkuf:
I had this argument recently with a jw and he showed me some bible verses that angel Michael is Jesus Christ. I must confess this guy almost won me and over with his argument. So I want to ask, can anyone bring out bible verses to refute this claim.



I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. I just want bible verses to refute this because the jw is coming on Saturday to continue this argument
Simple the bible state that Jesus is God not an angel.
Michael is one of the archangels not the only one.
Daniel 10 : 19.
angels are ministering ( servants) spirit by their nature. Hebrews 1: 4

The angel that spoke with John in revelation refers to himself as a fellow servant Revelation 22 vv 9.


Jesus took on the servants nature meaning he was not a servant before. Phil 2 vv 7
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:55pm On Sep 04, 2023
Steep:

Jesus is not an angel. He is God.
Can you quote where the Bible explicitly say:

"Jesus IS God"

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 3:55pm On Sep 04, 2023
Steep:

Simple the bible state that Jesus is God not an angel.
Michael is one of the archangels not the only one.
Daniel 10 : 19.
angels are ministering ( servants) spirit by their nature. Hebrews 1: 4

The angel that spoke with John in revelation refers to himself as a fellow servant Revelation 22 vv 9.


Jesus took on the servants nature meaning he was not a servant before. Phil 2 vv 7

Revelation 3:12 & Psalm 110:1, Jesus Christ has ALWAYS been his Father's Servant in the spiritual realm.

Yahweh said to Jesus: sit at my right hand."
Did Jesus OBEY the command?

1 Corinthians 15:22, 45 NLT and Matthew 20:28, is Jesus Christ the ministering spirit of your salvation?

Oga, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Steep(m): 5:08pm On Sep 04, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

Can you quote where the Bible explicitly say:

"Jesus IS God"
John 1 vv 1
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Steep(m): 5:10pm On Sep 04, 2023
Janosky:


Revelation 3:12 & Psalm 110:1, Jesus Christ has ALWAYS been his Father's Servant in the spiritual realm.

Yahweh said to Jesus: sit at my right hand."
Did Jesus OBEY the command?

1 Corinthians 15:22, 45 NLT and Matthew 20:28, is Jesus Christ the ministering spirit of your salvation?

Oga, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.
If Jesus has always being a servant why then does he need to humble himself and take the form of a servant?
Philippians 2

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