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| Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by delkuf(m): 5:10pm On Aug 30, 2023 |
I had this argument recently with a jw and he showed me some bible verses that angel Michael is Jesus Christ. I must confess this guy almost won me and over with his argument. So I want to ask, can anyone bring out bible verses to refute this claim. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. I just want bible verses to refute this because the jw is coming on Saturday to continue this argument |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by cornelboy(f): 5:57pm On Aug 30, 2023 |
delkuf:No verse explicitly says that Jesus is Michael. No verse outrightly says Jesus is not angel Michael. Indeed there are clues in the Bible that show that archangel Michael could be the one sent as Jesus Christ by God. 2 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Khallicopyro: 6:11pm On Aug 30, 2023 |
Ask him why God had to send his only son down to earth to die for us before he (God) can forgive our sins. Ask him if Adam and Eve where the first humans God created and Cain and Abel their first and second son. Then who did Cain marry when he ran away after killing Abel? Who created the people in that place in ran to? 1 Like |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by FxMasterz: 6:54pm On Aug 30, 2023 |
delkuf: There are several verses of scripture that you can use. These are some of them: 1 Timothy 2:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. John 1 also makes us to know that Jesus is the Word of God. Not an angel. Isaiah 9:6 says the Son that would be born to us would be called the the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father among other names. No angel can be so called. 2 Likes |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 7:19pm On Aug 30, 2023 |
delkuf, Get your Bible and go to Hebrews chapter 1 and read from verses 4 to 14. Tell the JW that these verses differentiated Jesus from Angels. Angel Michael is an angel. These verses tell you that God never spoke the words in those verses to any angel. He spoke those words specifically to Jesus only. Make sure you let the JW read these verses slowly. Emphasise on the verses that talk about Jesus being above the Angels and the verses that talk about God speaking to only JESUS and to no angel. Secondly, tell the JW to open Daniel 10 verse 13. That verse is about Angel Michael being one of the Archangels or Chief Princes. If you are above the angels like Jesus as said in Hebrews I quoted, You are not meant to have an equal amongst The Angels. If Angel Michael is truly Jesus, that means Daniel 10 vs 13 is saying that Jesus has fellow Chief Princes that are equal to him having the same Heavenly position. This is not True. Remember, Jesus is the Creator of Heaven and Earth. The Bible says All things, including Angels, were created by him. It was to him God said in Genesis, Let Us make man in our image. Therefore, Jesus can never have an equal amongst the Angels. He is their creator. He doesn't have fellow Chief Princes. Angel Michael has fellow Chief Princes like himself. It's just like a Governor having Special Advisers. These Special Advisers are equal, same level, same rank. Jesus has no angel sharing his rank in heaven! This is the error of JW doctrine. Several Bible verses do not match their doctrines. Classifying Jesus as an Angel is way to reduce Jesus to the barest minimum. All Cults reduce Jesus. Jesus is above any angel. He is their Creator. This is an Antichrist teaching. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Kobojunkie: 7:38pm On Aug 30, 2023 |
delkuf:Show me the Bible verse that supposedly won you over and I will show you how you were simply hoodwinked by yet another doctrine and tradition of men— fallacious interpretation — aka lies which are antiChrist— against the Truth of God— in Nature.  |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 8:56pm On Aug 30, 2023 |
Another point you can make to the JW is that the same Hebrews chapter 1 described Jesus as having the exact nature of God, that is, The exact representation of the divinity of God. This means Both God and Jesus have the same nature just as all humans have the same nature. This means the nature of God isn't the nature of Angels. Yes Both Almighty God and Angels are Spirits. But they are not the same. Since both God and Jesus have the same nature and Divinity, how can Jesus be an Angel? This is why that same verse ranks Jesus way higher than the Angels. Angels are errand beings for Jesus whether they are Archangels or lower Angels. If you are equating Jesus to Angels, that means you are equating Angels with Almighty God. This is pure fallacy! Now this JW is going to read 1st Thessalonians 4 vs 16. This is another verse they use to prove Jesus is an Angel. The good thing is that verse Never called Jesus Angel Michael directly. The JW is going to tell you that this verse says Jesus will come with an Archangel Voice meaning that he is an Archangel. So, read that verse and tell the JW that Does this mean that Jesus is the Commanding shout or is Jesus a trumpet? That is very incorrect. This is why it is good to use discernment to understand verses. Read this verse very well to understand what it is saying. The verse is saying that when Jesus comes, his coming will be announced by a Commanding shout, by the Voice of an Archangel and also with a trumpet of God. Remember, in the old days, when an important royal person arrives a place or visits, there must be someone announcing his arrival and most of the time Trumpets are blown or drums are beaten or any other instrument is used. This is very common with Royal Families. That's exactly what that verse is saying. It makes no sense to read that verse to say Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a trumpet of God. It makes no sense. Make sure you emphasise to the JW that this verse never called Jesus an Archangel. Any verse the JW Points to you, make sure you read that verse and concentrate on this Question : Was Jesus specifically called Angel Michael in this verse? Is there anything like Jesus is Angel Michael or Angel Michael is Jesus or Jesus was Angel Michael in Heaven? Keep asking the JW these questions over and over again. Don't allow them to distract you with twisting of words here and there. Focus on the questions and repeat them over and over again. Always remember that JWs rarely pay attention to the words of a verse. What they do instead is to add their own understanding to that verse which is against the Bible. They never allow the Bible speak to them. They instead Speak to the Bible. 2 Likes |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:37pm On Aug 31, 2023 |
Courz:LIAR confusing himself. The God is a spirit, said Jesus Christ. John 4:24. Is the God , angels and Jesus spirits? Yes. 1 Corinthians 15:45 NLT. Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5 angels called God. Therefore, God himself, angels and Jesus, ALL of them possess the nature of spirits, the nature of spirits is the nature of God. Simple. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:55pm On Aug 31, 2023 |
Courz:Angels are ministers sent by God. John 7:16 So Jesus told them, “My message is not my own; it comes from God who sent me." Matthew 20:28 & John 7:16, is Jesus teaching us he is a minister? Yes. Hebrews 1:14, "Angels are ministering spirits for those who inheriit salvation" 1 Corinthians 15:22,45, is Jesus Christ a ministering spirit for your salvation? Yes. Amplified Bible & Geneva Bibles @ Genesis 16:7, (published by Trinitarians) called Jesus the angel of the Lord Jehovah God.  2 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:26am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Courz:DUBIOUS COURZ, LIAR Psalms 8:5 & Hosea 12:3-4, did your own Bible call angels God (Elohim)? Jesus Christ is a ministering spirit sent by God his Father. Jesus is the archangel Michael commander of other angels, Matthew 25:31 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16. John 14:28, why equate Jesus with his Father? Is there no hierarchy in the spiritual realm? 1 Corinthians 11:3 At the very apex,God Almighty, Jesus next, followed by angels and man. Courz: DUBIOUS COURZ LIAR 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves. #3 tasks performed by Jesus Christ HIMSELF,says your Bible @ 1 Thessalonians 4:16 * Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout.. * Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with the voice of an archangel. *Jesus himself will come down from heaven with the trumpet of God 1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28, whose voice raises the dead from their graves? Jesus Christ Of course! DUBIOUS COURZ LIAR exposed 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:26am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Get your Bible and go to Hebrews chapter 1 and read from verses 4 to 14. Tell the JW that these verses differentiated Jesus from Angels. Angel Michael is an angel. These verses tell you that God never spoke the words in those verses to any angel. He spoke those words specifically to Jesus only. Make sure you let the JW read these verses slowly. Emphasise on the verses that talk about Jesus being above the Angels and the verses that talk about God speaking to only JESUS and to no angel. Secondly, tell the JW to open Daniel 10 verse 13. That verse is about Angel Michael being one of the Archangels or Chief Princes. If you are above the angels like Jesus as said in Hebrews I quoted, You are not meant to have an equal amongst The Angels. If Angel Michael is truly Jesus, that means Daniel 10 vs 13 is saying that Jesus has fellow Chief Princes that are equal to him having the same Heavenly position. This is not True. Remember, Jesus is the Creator of Heaven and Earth. The Bible says All things, including Angels, were created by him. It was to him God said in Genesis, Let Us make man in our image. Therefore, Jesus can never have an equal amongst the Angels. He is their creator. He doesn't have fellow Chief Princes. Angel Michael has fellow Chief Princes like himself. It's just like a Governor having Special Advisers. These Special Advisers are equal, same level, same rank. Jesus has no angel sharing his rank in heaven! This is the error of JW doctrine. Several Bible verses do not match their doctrines. Classifying Jesus as an Angel is way to reduce Jesus to the barest minimum. All Cults reduce Jesus. Jesus is above any angel. He is their Creator. This is an Antichrist teaching. 1 Like |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:27am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Another point you can make to the JW is that the same Hebrews chapter 1 described Jesus as having the exact nature of God, that is, The exact representation of the divinity of God. This means Both God and Jesus have the same nature just as all humans have the same nature. This means the nature of God isn't the nature of Angels. Yes Both Almighty God and Angels are Spirits. But they are not the same. Since both God and Jesus have the same nature and Divinity, how can Jesus be an Angel? This is why that same verse ranks Jesus way higher than the Angels. Angels are errand beings for Jesus whether they are Archangels or lower Angels. If you are equating Jesus to Angels, that means you are equating Angels with Almighty God. This is pure fallacy! Now this JW is going to read 1st Thessalonians 4 vs 16. This is another verse they use to prove Jesus is an Angel. The good thing is that verse Never called Jesus Angel Michael directly. The JW is going to tell you that this verse says Jesus will come with an Archangel Voice meaning that he is an Archangel. So, read that verse and tell the JW that Does this mean that Jesus is the Commanding shout or is Jesus a trumpet? That is very incorrect. This is why it is good to use discernment to understand verses. Read this verse very well to understand what it is saying. The verse is saying that when Jesus comes, his coming will be announced by a Commanding shout, by the Voice of an Archangel and also with a trumpet of God. Remember, in the old days, when an important royal person arrives a place or visits, there must be someone announcing his arrival and most of the time Trumpets are blown or drums are beaten or any other instrument is used. This is very common with Royal Families. That's exactly what that verse is saying. It makes no sense to read that verse to say Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a trumpet of God. It makes no sense. Make sure you emphasise to the JW that this verse never called Jesus an Archangel. Any verse the JW Points to you, make sure you read that verse and concentrate on this Question : Was Jesus specifically called Angel Michael in this verse? Is there anything like Jesus is Angel Michael or Angel Michael is Jesus or Jesus was Angel Michael in Heaven? Keep asking the JW these questions over and over again. Don't allow them to distract you with twisting of words here and there. Focus on the questions and repeat them over and over again. Always remember that JWs rarely pay attention to the words of a verse. What they do instead is to add their own understanding to that verse which is against the Bible. They never allow the Bible speak to them. They instead Speak to the Bible. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:33am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Another point you can make to the JW is that the same Hebrews chapter 1 described Jesus as having the exact nature of God, that is, The exact representation of the divinity of God. This means Both God and Jesus have the same nature just as all humans have the same nature. This means the nature of God isn't the nature of Angels. Yes Both Almighty God and Angels are Spirits. But they are not the same. Since both God and Jesus have the same nature and Divinity, how can Jesus be an Angel? This is why that same verse ranks Jesus way higher than the Angels. Angels are errand beings for Jesus whether they are Archangels or lower Angels. If you are equating Jesus to Angels, that means you are equating Angels with Almighty God. This is pure fallacy! Now this JW is going to read 1st Thessalonians 4 vs 16. This is another verse they use to prove Jesus is an Angel. The good thing is that verse Never called Jesus Angel Michael directly. The JW is going to tell you that this verse says Jesus will come with an Archangel Voice meaning that he is an Archangel. So, read that verse and tell the JW that Does this mean that Jesus is the Commanding shout or is Jesus a trumpet? That is very incorrect. This is why it is good to use discernment to understand verses. Read this verse very well to understand what it is saying. The verse is saying that when Jesus comes, his coming will be announced by a Commanding shout, by the Voice of an Archangel and also with a trumpet of God. Remember, in the old days, when an important royal person arrives a place or visits, there must be someone announcing his arrival and most of the time Trumpets are blown or drums are beaten or any other instrument is used. This is very common with Royal Families. That's exactly what that verse is saying. It makes no sense to read that verse to say Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a trumpet of God. It makes no sense. Make sure you emphasise to the JW that this verse never called Jesus an Archangel. Any verse the JW Points to you, make sure you read that verse and concentrate on this Question : Was Jesus specifically called Angel Michael in this verse? Is there anything like Jesus is Angel Michael or Angel Michael is Jesus or Jesus was Angel Michael in Heaven? Keep asking the JW these questions over and over again. Don't allow them to distract you with twisting of words here and there. Focus on the questions and repeat them over and over again. Always remember that JWs rarely pay attention to the words of a verse. What they do instead is to add their own understanding to that verse which is against the Bible. They never allow the Bible speak to them. They instead Speak to the Bible. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:34am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Courz: SHAME ON YOU DUBIOUS COURZ LYING against 1 Thessalonians 4:16. #3 tasks JESUS HIMSELF PERFORMED performed @ 1 Thessalonians 4:16. * "Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout.." * "Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with the voice of an archangel." *"Jesus himself will come down from heaven with the trumpet of God" |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:39am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Mumu Janosky aka SubPlot aka the Iberibe Master, read what you typed and use your brain. The verse says he is coming with a Commanding Shout, With an archangel voice and a trumpet of God. You JWs say because he is coming with an archangels voice, therefore he is an Archangel. If he is an archangel, is he also the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:41am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Mumu Janosky, is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:47am On Sep 01, 2023 |
delkuf: Whose voice raises the dead @1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28? Who is the serpent @Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9? Who is the seed defeating the serpent @ Genesis 3 15 & Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8? Who is the angel of the Lord @ Genesis 16:7 Amplified Bible/Geneva Bibles? JWs are correct. Many TRINITARIANS agreed archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. Screenshot PROVEN evidences
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| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:52am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Mumu Janosky, So you agree with Trinitarians but everyday you are here arguing with the same Trinitarians about their doctrine. You call Trinitarians all sort of names but because they say Jesus is Angel Michael, you are proud to showcase their doctrine. So of Trinitarians are wrong you will follow them to be wrong? Is that Pure Worship? Hypocrite! Trinitarians are now your friends! Your Elders must hear this. You're now Apostate! Mumu Janosky! is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:54am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Courz:[b] Sifia pains of DUBIOUS COURZ @ 1 Thessalonians 4:16. * "Jesus Christ himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout.... Jesus himself will come down from heaven with the trumpet of God...." 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:55am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Mumu Janosky, So you agree with Trinitarians but everyday you are here arguing with the same Trinitarians about their doctrine. You call Trinitarians all sort of names but because they say Jesus is Angel Michael, you are proud to showcase their doctrine. So of Trinitarians are wrong you will follow them to be wrong? Is that Pure Worship? Hypocrite! Trinitarians are now your friends! Your Elders must hear this. You're now Apostate! Mumu Janosky! is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:56am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Khallicopyro: Invite JWs in your neighborhood to answer your questions using your Bible. Thanks. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 12:57am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Mumu Janosky, So you agree with Trinitarians but everyday you are here arguing with the same Trinitarians about their doctrine. You call Trinitarians all sort of names but because they say Jesus is Angel Michael, you are proud to showcase their doctrine. So if Trinitarians are wrong you will follow them to be wrong? Is that Pure Worship? Hypocrite! Trinitarians are now your friends! Your Elders must hear this. You're now Apostate! Mumu Janosky! is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic. 1 Like |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:59am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Courz: TRINITARIANS believing Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, is a death sentence to Trinity. Continue WAILING. Ozuo pro max |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:00am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Mumu Janosky, answer my questions. If Jesus is an archangel simply because he is coming with an Archangel's voice, is he also a commanding shout and a trumpet of God since he is also coming with them? Why are you dodging this question? Is it because I am exposing the stupidity of your JW logic? |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:00am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Mumu Janosky, So you agree with Trinitarians but everyday you are here arguing with the same Trinitarians about their doctrine. You call Trinitarians all sort of names but because they say Jesus is Angel Michael, you are proud to showcase their doctrine. So of Trinitarians are wrong you will follow them to be wrong? Is that Pure Worship? Hypocrite! Trinitarians are now your friends! Your Elders must hear this. You're now Apostate! Mumu Janosky! is Jesus the commanding shout? Is Jesus also the Trumpet of God? Remember we are using your JW Logic to describe Jesus? Is that verse telling you Jesus is the commanding shout and a trumpet of God? You JWs only picked Archangel voice and ran with it. Is that how to read Bible? You just pick words and describe Jesus anyhow you like the Antichrist you people are? Why did you pick only archangel voice but left commanding shout and trumpet of God? Is that verse telling you Jesus is an archangel, a commanding shout and a Trumpet of God? This is simple English. If you twist it, you are Satanic. |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 1:02am On Sep 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz: 1 Timothy 3:16 "He was manifest in the flesh" Greek lexicon 3739 @ 1 Timothy 3:16, Oga go & verify this fact PROVEN in the screenshot. 2 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:03am On Sep 01, 2023 |
So, Mumu Janosky can agree with his biggest enemies which are Trinitarians? This is shocking! What does your Freemason Watchtower think about this? Mum Janosky, if Jesus is an archangel simply because he is coming with an Archangel's voice, is he also a commanding shout and a trumpet of God since he is also coming with those too? You are afraid to answer me abi? |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:03am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: So, Mumu Janosky can agree with his biggest enemies which are Trinitarians? This is shocking! What does your Freemason Watchtower think about this? Mumu Janosky, if Jesus is an archangel simply because he is coming with an Archangel's voice, is he also a commanding shout and a trumpet of God since he is also coming with those too? You are afraid to answer me abi? |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 1:08am On Sep 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz: The oldest Bible, older than ALL English language Bibles by more than a thousand years. @ John 1:1 rendition: " the word was a god." FxMasterz: Exodus 6:3 + Psalm 83:18 KJV, the God Almighty, Jehovah is NOT anybody's son. Acts 3:13, Jesus Christ is his Son/Servant 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Courz: 1:09am On Sep 01, 2023 |
Janosky: So, Mumu Janosky can agree with his biggest enemies which are Trinitarians? This is shocking! What does your Freemason Watchtower think about this? Mumu Janosky, if Jesus is an archangel simply because he is coming with an Archangel's voice, is he also a commanding shout and a trumpet of God since he is also coming with those too? You are afraid to answer me abi? 1 Like |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 6:17am On Sep 01, 2023 |
delkuf: The Book of Jude says: But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9). And Who is The Lord? Jesus is The Lord! Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord. Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11). You have to learn the laws of making a valid argument to beat anyone for God has made it so that "THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH." So you need to know when people are making an invalid argument. Not every reasonable sounding argument is valid that is what The Law of Falls popularly called fall'acy (fallabiility) is all about. And devils always argue by committing the fall of off point/change of issue or topic or post by using style to slide from the issue of the argument to another. So watch their words keeping in eye the issue of argument and cut them off as soon as they slide away from the issue. That is why you always see me raising change of post or off point. Because, if you stick to the issue, you will clearly see that they do not have a valid answer to the issue. Not every reasonable sounding argument is valid! 2 Likes |
| Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 6:34am On Sep 01, 2023 |
cornelboy: See jw speaking with reservation on the matter Jude expressly shows that Arc Michael is less than Jesus. But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9). And Who is The Lord? Jesus is The Lord! Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord. Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11). And in John 8. Jesus directly calls Satan a Liar thereby bringing a condemnation of slander on Satan. What Arc Michael could not do. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 2 Likes |
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