jaephoenix:

Those characteristics are from the brain. I thought I have told you before . There are neurones that carry impulses from those parts of the brain through tracts and then respective destinations.
Nothing concern soul for here

Your post is just equivalent to saying that the CPU alone is what is responsible for every activity of the Computer and NOT the software (information). Is this your admission?

Are Neurons the information in the brain or carriers of information?
Where does the information carried by the Neurons come from?

jaephoenix:

Nobody says the CPU has no effects from softwares.
You're the illiterate here

Apart from human experience about the programming of software and how it interacts with the machine, is there any PHYSICAL evidence that softwares exist in a machines memories?

Softwares in a machine are NOT physically detectable by any means: you need another software to detect them (speaking of a circular problem)

How do you know for certain that the Brain has NO software programming of its own?

KnownUnknown:


Christ fucking Jesus!! SMH

The question is too much for your immature mind to comprehend!?

triplechoice:
I dey laugh 😂 . You must be smoking something.

See how you finally exposed your ignorance.
However you describe it, whether you remove the "if" or not to deceive yourself it's still hypothetical because it never did happen.

What's the actual date of the event? If you can't provide that then it's not a real or has happened.


Stop fooling yourself and just rest. Please look up the meaning of hypothetical situation before replying.

BTW what has the event,the gravitational pull and the rest got to do with grief?
Modified.
The first clause before asking "how much energy will"...... is a conditional clause, but you stupidly remove the "if" because you don't know its function. Read the first one that has the "if" and the edited one and notice how it doesn't flow or make sense. You be Dundee united. I swear

And the same you have been calling out others for not understanding English language. Yeye they smell

Your problem is that you will rather insist on falsehood than admit the truth that goes against your position.

Speaking of one who doesnt understand English; "how much energy will"

Watch this similar Question:
Take this N1000 and get me a loaf of bread of N800: How much change will you return to me?

This is another hypothetical question by your royal eminence!


Who is the Dundee United?

FRANCISTOWN:

I already explained this, I can't go back to it


The warping of spacetime and the motion of objects through the warped spacetime resulting into the interaction between two masses.
Though Einstein said it is the result of each object responding to the effect that the other has on the space-time surrounding it. But it doesn't change the fact that GRAVITY IS INDEED A FORCE and also an EFFECT.
But generally, Gravity is a force.


Why do I need ChatGPT to assist me with what I learnt while in school several years ago? You use ChatGPT for what you don't know.
I know these things like mad.


If you can bring out one error in what I said about computer, then I'll admit to this statement. If not, allow me to mentor you for a year.


"... believe half of what you see." Edgar Allan Poe


Lol! You think so? You are actually guilty of that.
Just refute what I've said if you thought anything was wrong with it.


You don't need ChatGPT for what you know, innit? Throughout all my debate on this platform with anyone. I've never consulted Google for anything unless someone refers me. I naturally know a lot of things and I've read lots of books. I mean lots of books, believe me. So, most of the times, I always know what I talk about.


1. I never said softwares within a machine are tangible or not tangible. I only said they exist.

2. Softwares are observable and highly interactive (you are forgetting the highly part)

I guess you are taking interactive to be response to stimulus. Hardware may respond to stimulus, but softwares are HIGHLY interactive.

I've actually gotten you where I wanted to get you. You asked me the other time if I've ever programmed, a code to print out "Hello World!" in my life.


In software development, even before the prototype.
One of the first thing we consider as we design the template is the IUI( Interactive user Interface)
During the days of CLP,(command line programming), we were using CUI (Character User interface)
For instance in those days when you write.

F_Name = raw_input()

And you run that code. There is going to be an insertion point on the screen indicating where to insert the characters.

You'll understand better if you've ever written a code in Fortran, Cobol, python console and especially shell, and CMD.

GUI came so that softwares can be more interactive. Any software that is not interactive cannot be deployed. Please use your ChatGPT and learn more on software development.

There will always be a clear difference between who uses chatGTP and who actually does it.

Leave ChatGPT and lemme mentor you. I'll explain using the language that you understand the most.

Is there anything else you wish to learn from me?

Dont insist on falsehood just to keep yourself in an argument
1. Gravity is NOT a force
2. You need ChatGPT because you seem to have either "mis-learned" what you think you know from school. People who cannot review their response from other authorities are either intellectually lazy. Be humble to let ChatGPT be of assistance to you: The AI program is not always correct but it gives you a starting point.
3. The argument had never been about the EXISTENCE of Softwares within the Machine: they exist (All of us know that). The Argument had been about whether SOFTWARES within a machine is Tangible or NOT!

Are Softwares within a MACHINE TANGIBLE or NOT?
4. Is it untrue that you said:
"Softwares are observable and interactive. Even if you can't touch them. Therefore they exists.
Don't be a stupid boy." https://www.nairaland.com/post/129602819

So, my question all along had been: (please mind the wordings)
iii. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
iv. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
v. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?



5. You have shown me that you could actually program the computer, therefore I will make a fresh post just for you so that we can start afresh without any bias




6. BTW:
I'd like to learn some hardware programming from you probably using Renesas R7FA4M1AB, ATmega328P or 32U4 or 2560, or STM32.
Secondly, I am very rusty because it's a very long time ago that I tried disassembling specifically software programs for the purpose of hacking it (we used to use WinDasm and Hiew programs): when can I start my class?

LOL!

You need not respond and you can proceed to the nex post if you get the gist>

Mr FRANCISTOWN
Please before you respond: Do we agree on these below
1. Softwares in a memory device is usually recorded in formated forms using appropriate file system format of disk partitions with data all in binary format on magnetic devices as magnetic North or South polarity, in Flash memories as ON or OFF in array of memory cells made from floating-gate transistors, in Optical Disks as Good or Bad Reflectance from microscopic data pits and lands arranged in a spiral track on the disk's surface etc.
2. The Recorded data on the memory devices do NOT add nor subtract any Material (such as atoms, molecules, electrons etc) from the physical device
3. If the File system on a memory device is NOT recognised by a machine, the data on it doesn't exist to the machine because it is NOT recognisable.
4. The same applies to the format in which a software is compiled on a memory device: even if the filesystem is recognized and the format in which the software is compiled on the machine is NOT, the software is NOT recognised. Like a software compiled for Windows OS will not run on a Mac or an Android or a Linux device (Unless we use an Emulator to translate the compiled code to the appropriate instruction format for the target OS)
5. Data or Information is erased from an appropriate hardware by either overwriting the data with random binary data or re-writing a new (different) memory partition on the memory device.
6. Since Data on a physical device Exist BUT is NOT physical, then it is NOT Tangible.

Of course: What is your definition of an existence being Tangible?



My Questions:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

jaephoenix:

You just like arguing stupidly.
I have shown u that software is tangible according to MW definitions and u r here talking bs

What is the tangibility of softwares within the machine?


Is Gravity Tangible?
Is the Electric Field tangible?
Is the magnetic Field Tangible?
As a medical Doctor: Is Consciousness (Life) Tangible?

jaephoenix:

So I'm taking your advice and doing Google searches. This is another one, from my Google enabled AI
Look at the hit.
Do u have any other stupid question to ask?

Does Cells possess Life was your question: Was that my question?

Is [b]Life aka Consciousness TANGIBLE?[/b]

jaephoenix:

U can determine the extent of grief by observing the reaction. Some express grief by just moping at space, some cry, some roll on the floor. These are degrees of expression of grief
Any other questions, stupido!?

So, the fact that a Grieving person is Quiet does confirm that his grieve is small compared with the one who is rolling on the floor?

triplechoice:
. Is an actor really grieving or pretending to be?

Why do you want to measure what's not real , but mere pretence, acting . There's no real grief there and so nothing to measure. Why can't you understand this?

Talk of a situation where an individual is grieving for real not an actor. You want to set a trap for yourself not me.

How can you know that the Actor is not Acting?


Can an Actor not experience Grief?

A Good Actor is expressing Grief: can you measure its weight?

A Good Actor is Crying: can you measure the weight of his Grief?

TenQ:

Let me bring you to ground zero


1. Do realities exist that are not Tangible?

Instead of you to critically respond to I what explained, you have decided to deflect again.

I already answered the question about intangible realities. So I'm not going to answer it again this time .If you say you didn't see that's your cup of tea or you go back to where I answered it to see how you even responded .

I think you have a problem remembering things or you struggle to understand what's explained in simple English language. The later is obviously your problem as can be seen from your replies to others here on this board.

TenQ:

How can you know that the Actor is not Acting?


Can an Actor not experience Grief?

A Good Actor is expressing Grief: can you measure its weight?

A Good Actor is Crying: can you measure the weight of his Grief?

Something is really wrong with you.

What do actors do for God sake!

Grief is an individual's emotional reaction to real pain or what causes pain.No actor ever feels real pain except when they're not acting.

And why asking me the weight of grief ? Did I ever tell it has weight like matter?

Grief is tangible because it can be felt intensely. You're blinded by the word, grief, and not the reality it describes. And I have described it, and you can't see because you deliberately choose not to open your eyes to see.


If you're not satisfied with my explanations, you can use Google or chat box to understand how grief is tangible.

TenQ:

Your problem is that you will rather insist on falsehood than admit the truth that goes against your position.

Speaking of one who doesnt understand English; "how much energy will"

Watch this similar Question:
Take this N1000 and get me a loaf of bread of N800: How much change will you return to me?

This is another hypothetical question by your royal eminence!


Who is the Dundee United?

You are just stupid. What truth do you know that goes against my position. Mention one and let's see how .You're very good at making empty statements to cover for your ignorance.

The statement in quote was to show I was quoting part of your question . You didn't understand it because you don't know what quotation marks are used for in English language.
Dundee United

And BTW what's the point of all these wayward questions ?

Did you skip your medications?

TenQ:


Apart from human experience about the programming of software and how it interacts with the machine, is there any PHYSICAL evidence that softwares exist in a machines memories?

Softwares in a machine are NOT physically detectable by any means: you need another software to detect them (speaking of a circular problem)

How do you know for certain that the Brain has NO software programming of its own?

Talking about softwares alone ,and not spirits, why would any sane person request for "physical evidence"for a software in a machine to know it exist ? Who does that? Your questions are very silly.

You don't want to tell the truth.Continue to play the ostrich while every other part of your body is exposed.

Be courageous and come out to talk about God or spirits. Stop hiding behind a software. Everyone can see you hiding there.

TenQ:

Then every question you ask including: What do actors do? is hypothetical.


What is wrong in admitting a misconception rather than stay with Flasehood.


Is LIFE (aka Consciousness) a TANGIBLE reality or NOT?

Please look up the meaning of hypothetical situation and come back and tell me my question was an hypothetical situation too.

You're talking to your self about misconception. You don't know what's hypothetical situation. Your edit of you question where you removed "if" is a confirmation of that.

It's one thing to accuse someone of something and another thing to prove it. I just proved what I accused you of concerning hypothetical situation, but you can't even for once prove all of your false claims about me.

Modified. Someone here shared something about Dunning Kruger effect. Please Google it and read what it means. It will help you a lot

triplechoice:


Something is really wrong with you.

What do actors do for God sake!

Grief is an individual's emotional reaction to real pain or what causes pain.No actor ever feels real pain except when they're not acting.

And why asking me the weight of grief ? Did I ever tell it has weight like matter?

Grief is tangible because it can be felt intensely. You're blinded by the word, grief, and not the reality it describes. And I have described it, and you can't see because you deliberately choose not to open your eyes to see.


If you're not satisfied with my explanations, you can use Google or chat box to understand how grief is tangible.

Omotola Jalade Ekeinde
Richard Mofe-Damijo
Will Smith

Are ALL good actors: They are bereaved : so we ask the questions

A Good Actor is expressing Grief: can you measure its weight?

A Good Actor is Crying: can you measure the weight of his Grief?

Can you tell the difference?

triplechoice:
You are just stupid. What truth do you know that goes against my position. Mention one and let's see how .You're very good at making empty statements to cover for your ignorance.

The statement in quote was to show I was quoting part of your question . You didn't understand it because you don't know what quotation marks are used for in English language.
Dundee United

And BTW what's the point of all these wayward questions ?

Did you skip your medications?

You throw tantrums like a child

See how much your How much is... argument was easily torn down

Question:
Take this N1000 and get me a loaf of bread of N800: How much change will you return to me?

triplechoice:




Talking about softwares alone ,and not spirits, why would any sane person request for "physical evidence"for a software in a machine to know it exist ? Who does that? Your questions are very silly.

You don't want to tell the truth.Continue to play the ostrich while every other part of your body is exposed.

Be courageous and come out to talk about God or spirits. Stop hiding behind a software. Everyone can see you hiding there.

Good.

Only an insane person require a physical proof for a software in a machine.

This is representative of everything that Exists but not Tangible

Do you abree with me that It is insanity or gross ignorance to say:
Show me gravity?
What is the weight of gravity?
What is gravity made up from?

or

Do you abree with me that It is insanity or gross ignorance to say:
Show me Consciousness (Life) ?
What is the weight of Consciousness (Life)?
What is Consciousness made up from?

TenQ:


Omotola Jalade Ekeinde
Richard Mofe-Damijo
Will Smith

Are ALL good actors: They are bereaved : so we ask the questions

A Good Actor is expressing Grief: can you measure its weight?

A Good Actor is Crying: can you measure the weight of his Grief?

Can you tell the difference?

Go and learn the difference between a good actor faking grief and someone not acting experiencing it directly. Because you don't know this difference is why you continue to fool yourself.
Why can't you talk about what's real?

An actor faking grief is fully aware of what he or she is doing. That's faking it. So it cannot be real, no matter the tears coming from the eyes. That only shows the person is very good at acting.

TenQ:

Good.

Only an insane person require a physical proof for a software in a machine.

This is representative of everything that Exists but not Tangible
i[b]
Do you abree with me that It is insanity or gross ignorance to say:
. i] Show me gravity?
What is the weight of gravity?
What is gravity made up from? /i]i[/b]

or

Do you abree with me that It is insanity or gross ignorance to say:
[i]Show me Consciousness (Life) ?
What is the weight of Consciousness (Life)?
What is Consciousness (Life) made up from?

Please don't misconstrue what I said. I emphasized that when talking about softwares alone,it doesn't make sense,but we all know that you're talking of spirit or God indirectly . So it makes sense to ask for prove or some form of physical quantification. The day you understand this is the day you stop believing





You want to be clever by half, but you failed again.
Take all your questions about software,to the right section and see if you won't be called mad by experts there.

Focus on the OP please

Modified. No one who's informed about the bolded will ever ask those questions. But someone who's not informed about spirit has not done anything wrong to ask. He wants to know what's spirit which you have been ruining away from defining directly, but hiding cowardly behind a software to do so

TenQ:

You throw tantrums like a child

See how much your How much is... argument was easily torn down

Question:
Take this N1000 and get me a loaf of bread of N800: How much change will you return to me?

There's enough evidence here that you're the expert of throwing tantrums everywhere. Perfect example was your reply to Francistown. It's was purely emotional reaction all through. Nothing reasonable

Name calling, insults and false accusations won't help you win an argument. It will only show you're losing the debate and frustrated.

triplechoice:
There's enough evidence here that you're the expert of throwing tantrums everywhere. Perfect example was your reply to Francistown. It's was purely emotional reaction all through. Nothing reasonable

Name calling, insults and false accusations won't help you win an argument. It will only show you're losing the debate and frustrated.

See frying pan calling kettle black like Hamas.

When you are throwing insults to others it's okay but when you get insulted back you begin to cry.

In case you don't know me, I give you the kind of respect you give when you communicate.

It is one thing to communicate intelligently it is another when your obvious aim is to ridicule the person you are communicating with. Go check with Buda and most times Lord-Reed, we rarely get into a slug of words unlike many of you.

In other words, if you speak respectfully and with logic and common sense, you get a more productive response.

It is the person who cannot defend his position that loses an argument my dear. And this is reflective by how the person avoids answering direct questions with respect to to topic at hand

TenQ:

So, the fact that a Grieving person is Quiet does confirm that his grieve is small compared with the one who is rolling on the floor?

We are talking about the methods of expressing grief.
You are derailing your own thread. Explain how all these gibberish relate to spirit or soul

TenQ:


Does Cells possess Life was your question: Was that my question?

Is [b]Life aka Consciousness TANGIBLE?[/b]

Are you always retarded? The screenshot even tells u cells are the unit of life

triplechoice:


Please don't misconstrue what I said. I emphasized that when talking about softwares alone,it doesn't make sense,but we all know that you're talking of spirit or God indirectly . So it makes sense to ask for prove or some form of physical quantification. The day you understand this is the day you stop believing





You want to be clever by half, but you failed again.
Take all your questions about software,to the right section and see if you won't be called mad by experts there.

Focus on the OP please

Modified. No one who's informed about the bolded will ever ask those questions. But someone who's not informed about spirit has not done anything wrong to ask. He wants to know what's spirit which you have been ruining away from defining directly, but hiding cowardly behind a software to do so

I know more about softwares or hardware than you ever think you know and this is why we are having problems with understanding BASIC things that need no argument.

Let me come down with you to ground zero and make basic explanations (which you can confirm about the software written i any machine)

Basic information about Information and Data written on Any Hardware
1. Softwares in a memory device is usually recorded in formated forms using appropriate file system format of disk partitions with data all in binary format on magnetic devices as magnetic North or South polarity, in Flash memories as ON or OFF in array of memory cells made from floating-gate transistors, in Optical Disks as Good or Bad Reflectance from microscopic data pits and lands arranged in a spiral track on the disk's surface etc.

2. The Recorded data on the memory devices do NOT add nor subtract any Material (such as atoms, molecules, electrons etc) from the physical device

3. If the File system on a memory device is NOT recognised by a machine, the data on it doesn't exist to the machine because it is NOT recognisable.

4. The same applies to the format in which a software is compiled on a memory device: even if the filesystem is recognized and the format in which the software is compiled on the machine is NOT, the software is NOT recognised. Like a software compiled for Windows OS will not run on a Mac or an Android or a Linux device (Unless we use an Emulator to translate the compiled code to the appropriate instruction format for the target OS)

5. Data or Information is erased from an appropriate hardware by either overwriting the data with random binary data or re-writing a new (different) memory partition on the memory device.
6. Since Data on a physical device Exist BUT is NOT physical, then it is NOT Tangible


Do these make sense or which one do you disagree with?

jaephoenix:

Are you always retarded? The screenshot even tells u cells are the unit of life

So the cells of my hair is Life?

Think Bro!

TenQ:

What is the tangibility of softwares within the machine?


Is Gravity Tangible?
Is the Electric Field tangible?
Is the magnetic Field Tangible?
As a medical Doctor: Is Consciousness (Life) Tangible?

Gravity is tangible. We feel its effect and its measurable.
Same as electric and magnetic field.
Consciousness is not the same as life. There can be alive without consciousness. Viruses/bacteria and other life forms are alive but lack consciousness.
I think at this point u should tell us if u actually attended any school at all. Your reasoning is just daft

TenQ:


Apart from human experience about the programming of software and how it interacts with the machine, is there any PHYSICAL evidence that softwares exist in a machines memories?

Softwares in a machine are NOT physically detectable by any means: you need another software to detect them (speaking of a circular problem)

How do you know for certain that the Brain has NO software programming of its own?

If a programmer inserted a software into a machine memory, isn't that indication that the software exists?
Yes u can't touch software but they are tangible because we can interact with them
Software programming in the brain? At what age does this programming happen?
From emotions, volition etc, babies learn all these from their environment. That's why a baby raised by animals behave like them. All the inputs comes from the interaction with the environment, and environment includes people and animals

TenQ:

Your post is just equivalent to saying that the CPU alone is what is responsible for every activity of the Computer and NOT the software (information). Is this your admission?

Are Neurons the information in the brain or carriers of information?
Where does the information carried by the Neurons come from?

Yes, CPU is responsible for almost output except that from bios
Info is stored in form of engrams, which are formed in the fetal/neonatal stages, by the baby interacting with the environment. These engrams are then in the cortices. Neurons carry info throughout the body via tracts, ganglia etc

jaephoenix:

Gravity is tangible. We feel its effect and its measurable.
Same as electric and magnetic field.
Consciousness is not the same as life. There can be alive without consciousness. Viruses/bacteria and other life forms are alive but lack consciousness.
I think at this point u should tell us if u actually attended any school at all. Your reasoning is just daft

Please check: I see where you are making your gross errors.

We know there is Gravity because of its effects
BUT
Gravity is not made up of matter
Gravity does not have energy
Gravity does not have dimension
Gravity cannot be removed from one place to the other

In other words, Gravity is NOT Tangible even though it EXISTS
We can only Feel the Effects of Gravity on masses (the effect is what is called weight)

The same with Electric Fields and Magnetic Fields. We can feel their Effects on charges or other magnetic materials as Electric or Magnetic Forces, but the Fields themselves are NOT Tangible. They cannot be described as physical; they are invisible.

I agree with you that Consciousness is a Special subset of Life (or Living) therefore they may not be perfectly synonymous.

Therefore, I will use Consciousness rather than Life (for the rest of the discussion)

As a medical Doctor: Is Consciousness Tangible?

TenQ:

The question is too much for your immature mind to comprehend!?

The question is straight out of the mind of a ignorant person who doesn’t even realize how benighted he is.

@TenQ . Since you want to continue fooling yourself,see you blunder fully explained below.

This was your original question.

TenQ:

The question is valid:

Example:
IF the apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the prescence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60 kg use to jump up by 1.1 m?

The above was what I described as hypothetical situation or question.

You replied later by removing the "if" to make it read exactly like this below,


"The apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1. 1m?


Removing "if " here has made it meaningless and incoherent.

The question contains two clauses, a subordinate clause and a main clause
The first statement in the question with an "if" is a conditional clause, the subordinate clause, preceding the main clause,

"how much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1.1m". (Main clause)

The conditional clause is very mobile and can be moved to the final position of that original question you asked and it will still make sense like below.


"How much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1.1m if the apparent gravitational pull on the moon is reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it?"
This is very correct.


But see what happened when you stupidly remove the "if" to make it real in your ignorance that you knew what you were doing.


How much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1.1m the apparent gravitational pull on the moon is reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it?


So you see that by removing the "if" you have rendered the original incoherent. And because the conditional clause came first in the original question ,was why there was a, punctuation mark before the main clause. After it was taken to the end the comma was not needed.

I wanted to ignore you concerning this grammatical blunder of yours, but since you keep bringing up as if I was the one who has the problem, I decided to .

English language is your problem and that's why you struggle to understand what everyone has been explaining for you