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| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by Nobody: 9:24pm On Jun 01, 2012 |
Yeah, I have.. but there's a caveat: Jesus claims the generation he's talking to will not pass till those signs have come, then the end... How many generations have passed since then? |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by cowgurl: 9:56pm On Jun 01, 2012 |
[quote author=musKeeto]Yeah, I have.. but there's a caveat: Jesus claims the generation he's talking to will not pass till those signs have come, then the end... How many generations have passed since then?[/quote] Alright, let me also digest the scripture so we can flow better. 1 Like |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 10:15pm On Jun 01, 2012 |
cowgurl: Alright, let me also digest the scripture so we can flow better. these too: www.nairaland.com/568246/world-damned-end-2012 www.nairaland.com/212569/abomination-desolation www.nairaland.com/29381/second-coming-jesus-christ |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by Dagods(m): 10:47pm On Jun 01, 2012 |
cowgurl:u r welcome do u listen 2 da grail message? |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 10:59pm On Jun 01, 2012 |
cowgurl: Each time Nigeria go through a negative change/challenge/phase, the next phrase I'll hear Nigerians say is, it's end time and right then I'll begin praying/fasting for the forgiveness of my sins (small sins I meanchange of guard. end of the gentile era on earth and beginning of a permanent righteous era daniel 2 vs 44 |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 11:03pm On Jun 01, 2012 |
buzugee: change of guard. end of the gentile era on earth and beginning of a permanent righteous era daniel 2 vs 44 you might need to break it down for us sir. Its still too coded. |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 11:21pm On Jun 01, 2012 |
yamakuza:ok its like this Chief. there will be 2 eras on earth. the GENTILE ERA and the RIGHTEOUS ERA. the gentile era is basically the lord removing himself partially from the rulership of the world so that 'evil' can run rampant and unchecked. he basically handed the world to wicked people to rule it job 9 vs 24 THE EARTH IS HANDED TO THE WICKED ROMANS 11 VS 11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. REVELATION 6 VS 4 Then another horse appeared, a red one. Its rider was given a mighty sword and the authority to take peace from the earth. And there was war and slaughter everywhere. SO WHY WOULD HE GIVE THE WORLD TO EVIL PEOPLE TO RUN ? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO HE MADE INITIALLY ( ISRAEL) WHO WERE IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD TURNED THEIR BACKS ON HIM, STARTED WORSHIPPING IDOLS, WERE BUTCHERING EACH OTHER FOR HUMAN SACRIFICE, OFFERING THEIR KIDS IN SACRIFICE TO MOLECH AND BAAL, DOING ALL KINDS OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY, JUST BEEN PLAIN EVIL. so the lord wanted to teach them a lesson so he put the world in charge of wicked people and then removed the protection from his initial people so that they would become prey to the wicked predator gentiles. and it has been like this ever since. we are in the gentile era. this is the reign of the gentiles. and the end of this era when the lord will take active control of the world again is what is called 'END TIME' |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 11:29pm On Jun 01, 2012 |
I thought: 1. We will see signs 2. Rapture will occur 3. Tribulation follows 4. White throne judgment that leads me to believe the END TIMES precede/include event 1. Am i right? |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 12:02am On Jun 02, 2012 |
yamakuza: I thought:Oh yes, end times signs will be the 7 plagues such as earthquakes, animals eating people ( like the pastor got killed by the snake and lots of people are getting eaten by whales lately ), wars, rumors of wars, etc etc. this is the intense purification process to extract the needed quota of purified people out of the people on earth ( scripture says in their affliction they will seek me early ). once that quota is met, the destruction will begin. rapture simply means relocation of the ones who made it to the end, his chosen, his elect, they will all be relocated to a place of comfort and safety while the whole gentile world disintegrates into world war 3 and all kinds of plagues for 7years. the signs in your number 1 will be part of the end-times package. but your order from 1 to 4 is pretty correct. they are all part of the end-times |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 12:17am On Jun 02, 2012 |
buzugee: Oh yes, end times signs will be the 7 plagues such as earthquakes, animals eating people ( like the pastor got killed by the snake and lots of people are getting eaten by whales lately ), wars, rumors of wars, etc etc. this is the intense purification process to extract the needed quota of purified people out of the people on earth ( scripture says in their affliction they will seek me early ). once that quota is met, the destruction will begin. rapture simply means relocation of the ones who made it to the end, his chosen, his elect, they will all be relocated to a place of comfort and safety while the whole gentile world disintegrates into world war 3 and all kinds of plagues for 7years. the signs in your number 1 will be part of the end-times package. but your order from 1 to 4 is pretty correct. they are all part of the end-times www.endtime.com www.countdown.org i believe the seals and trumpets will be opened/blown after the rapture, (part of the tribulation process) then WW3 or Armageddon. I understand that true believers will not be part of the above, only those who miss the rapture will. And they will have a tough time surviving till the 2nd coming (is that the right term?) when Christ will rule for 1000 years. Satan is also to be imprisoned about that time, then let loose again or so, after which is judgment day. My timeline doesnt seem to agree with us, but thats by the way. I believe op wants to know what signs will lead up to event 1, and especially if the signs Nigerians allude to are part of them. What say you? |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 1:02am On Jun 02, 2012 |
yamakuza:the seals were opened after the earth fell into the hands of the wicked which is a long time ago. however the 7 plagues will be after the rapture. we are experiencing the seals now. the fourth seal is all these iraqi war, libyan war, syria, vietnam, ww2, ww1, falklands war, rwandan genocide, biafra war, tutsi vs hutu, boko haram, etc etc. this is the fourth seal. true believers are exempt from all these tribulations and seals because the purpose of these things is to purify and torture people into submission to the lord ( scripture says in their affliction they will seek me early ). so if you are a true believer you are already purified and refined and no need to do that to you again. the signs that will lead up to the event is already happening. OP gotta keep his or her eyes open. america is crumbling, the eurozone is crumbling ( as pertains to isaiah vs 14 ). and satan has already been imprisoned for 1000 years. we are in the era where he is let lose for a short period of time. this is what we are in now. what signs will lead up to seeing signs ? there is no such thing. we have been seeing signs since the earth was handed to the wicked. there have been wars for like a long time. we had ww1, ww2, vietnam war, biafra war etc etc. these are signs. only difference is they will get intensified in the last days. like how we have multiple wars going on in afghan, iraq, libya syria and soon iran, boko haram all at once ? INTENSE. like how we had the tsunami, katrina, haiti earthquake, japan earthquake, chile earthquake, earthquake in eastern parts of america, all at once ? INTENSE 1 Like |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by ijawkid(m): 6:05am On Jun 02, 2012 |
yamakuza: True worshippers of Yahweh are gonna experience d great tribulation alongsides d wicked..... Infact d great tribulation is what will show who really has been worshipping God and who hasn't................................ Don't think rapture must have occured b4 d great tribulation ,while d wicked remains alone to suffer it....... I'll show u 2 scriptures to prove that servants of God will experience d great tribulation.......... So start getting prepared for it...... |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 6:45am On Jun 02, 2012 |
ijawkid:Ijawkid i believe the elect will be protected LUKE 21 VS 34-36 But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." REV 3 VS 10[b] Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the eaRTH[/b] 1 Like |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 7:14am On Jun 02, 2012 |
Thanks guys, its clearer now. I hope the op finds it so. |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by ijawkid(m): 7:23am On Jun 02, 2012 |
buzugee: Ijawkid i believe the elect will be protected Let's compare Matthew 24:21 $22...... For whose sake will d great tribulation be cut short......  And why ??Which flesh is expected to be saved again if all elects have been raptured and fully protected........ Let's also read revelations 7:13-15 Who are those that come out of d great tribulation and are now been congratulated and given privileges ??The wicked ones ??To me I feel they'll be protected in d sense that if they remain faithfull God will give them d strength to endure past that great tribulation.......... Of what use is any tribulation to wicked persons........ If we know whose unleashing d tribulation then we might actually know why d chosen ones too will pass thru it..... Is the tribulation from God or from satan |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 7:28am On Jun 02, 2012 |
ijawkid: some christians will miss the rapture. I believe this applies to them. (Some unbelievers will repent too). Remain Rapturable! 1 Like |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 7:50am On Jun 02, 2012 |
ijawkid:you make God out to be this irrational crazy monstrous person who just loves putting plagues and suffering on innocent people. the purpose of the seals and handing the world to the wicked to remove peace from the earth is only so that the rebellious hard headed sinners get refined and tortured and then run back to him 2 esdras 16 vs 19 Behold, famine, and plague, tribulation and anguish, are sent as scourges for amendment. hosea 5 vs 15[b] I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.[/b] those 2 reasons above are the technic the lord uses to punish people and bring them back to him. those are the seals. the purpose of which is to refine and purify the rebelliousness out of you. once you are purified and perfect, you do not encounter any more punishment. you are pure now. the lord will put angels over you to protect you from everything in this world hebrews 1 vs 14[b] Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?[/b] so once you are purified you get protection and peace ( so long as you stay purified ) so the purpose of intensifying the seals in the last days is to speed up the process of acquiring the quota of people needed to enter the kingdom ( which is one third of the world plus 144,000 sealed men ) which works out to be about 2.5 billion people. so the intensity is increased so more people run in and join the 2.5 billion ( give or take a few ). once that number is achieved, those people will be raptured while the remaining two thirds are destroyed in the 7 year plague. zechariah 13 vs 8 The LORD declares, "Throughout the land two-thirds will be cut off and die. Yet, one-third will be left in it. so let me reiterate- if you are undergoing hard and rough times as a believer ? its because you are not purified yet. there are some things you aare doing that are not pleasing to the lord and hence he is purifying you some more. once you get to the level you need to get to ? your torture ends. you have peace and protection and the lord takes care of all your needs. and that verse about the lord speeding up time for the elect simply means the elect wont be in limbo for a long time. cuz you know when the 7 year plague is going on, they will be in limbo and not in the land of milk and honey yet. the lord trying to get them to the land of milk and honey faster than usual so for their sake he has reduced the torture time for the rebels 1 Like |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by taju4free(m): 8:19am On Jun 02, 2012 |
if u say a particular number of people will go 2 heaven, then wat happens 2 d remaining billions of people dat will remain. U will only b deceiving urself if u think u will go 2 heaven witout righteousness. The bible says in hebrews 12:14 follow peace wit all men n holiness witout which no man can see God. Heaven is not reserved 4 a specific number of people but 4 those dat fear him n live an unblameable life while on earth. The bible says in Isa 35:8-9 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it, but it shall be for those... but d redeemed shall walk there. So be wise! 1 Like |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by ijawkid(m): 9:13am On Jun 02, 2012 |
buzugee: you make God out to be this irrational crazy monstrous person who just loves putting plagues and suffering on innocent people. the purpose of the seals and handing the world to the wicked to remove peace from the earth is only so that the rebellious hard headed sinners get refined and tortured and then run back to him Where will d chosen holy ones be raptured to ?Would they be raptured and still be on earth Because if they'll be in heaven then they won't need angels to protect them....... Who are those that come out of d great tribulation Wicked or d rigtheous |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 9:19am On Jun 02, 2012 |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 9:30am On Jun 02, 2012 |
taju4free: if u say a particular number of people will go 2 heaven, then wat happens 2 d remaining billions of people dat will remain. U will only b deceiving urself if u think u will go 2 heaven witout righteousness. The bible says in hebrews 12:14 follow peace wit all men n holiness witout which no man can see God.your question is twofold 1-of course heaven is not reserved for a specific number of people but the lord sees the end result of what he is trying to achieve and he has stated that only a third of the world plus 144,000 sealed men will make it to the kingdom. he is the lord. he knows the beginning and the end. 2-what will happen to the billions of people left ? hate to break it to you but it says the blood on the streets will get to the underbelly of a horse and the quantity will be enough to fill 1600 stadiums. revelation 14 vs 20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia. i take it you have not read revelations at all if you didnt know these info. means the 4.5 billion will be destroyed. they are too hard headed to enter the kingdom. |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by ijawkid(m): 9:34am On Jun 02, 2012 |
buzugee: you make God out to be this irrational crazy monstrous person who just loves putting plagues and suffering on innocent people. the purpose of the seals and handing the world to the wicked to remove peace from the earth is only so that the rebellious hard headed sinners get refined and tortured and then run back to him |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 9:38am On Jun 02, 2012 |
ijawkid:i forget the name of the valley but its a valley somewhere. maybe jehosophat or something. i will check it later. rapture does not mean they are going into the skies. thats roman catholic mythological doctrine. simply means they will be gathered from the four corners of the earth and put in a safe place on earth while the rest of the people on earth get destroyed in the plague. those who come out of the great tribulation will be the wicked who survive. and they will be the first crop of slaves in the kingdom ( yes there is slavery in the kingdom. revelation 13 vs 10, isaiah 14 vs 2, jeremiah 30 vs 16 ). those those who are unfortunate to survive will be the first crops of slaves in the kingdom who will rebuild the kingdom for the saints ) |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 9:42am On Jun 02, 2012 |
buzugee: i forget the name of the valley but its a valley somewhere. maybe jehosophat or something. i will check it later. rapture does not mean they are going into the skies. thats roman catholic mythological doctrine. simply means they will be gathered from the four corners of the earth and put in a safe place on earth while the rest of the people on earth get destroyed in the plague. so, when are they/we caught up, at the sound of the trump, when the dead in Christ will also rise? At rapture (pretrib) or 2nd coming (post trib) ? |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 9:51am On Jun 02, 2012 |
yamakuza:the dead in christ wake up after the rapture, in the valley of jehosophat ( also called the valley of decision ). rapture first, then plagues, then ww3, then the grave and death spits out its occupants ( resurrection of saints ), then judgement, then death and hell is cast into the lake of fire ( meaning no more suffering and spiritual death ), then its time for eternal enjoyment in the kingdom of heaven on earth...and we shall live to be as old as trees with no suffering or pain or misery  sweet ending.1 Like |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 10:04am On Jun 02, 2012 |
and i know this is something a lot of people dont like hearing but the wicked rebels who refused to change will be the ones who will build up the kingdom after all the wars and tribulations etc etc. this is the second part of their punishment. slavery in the kingdom. they will build our houses and plant and harvest our vineyards and be our housemaids ( but all in a righteous way because it is the kingdom of heaven on earth.) isaiah 14 vs 2 The peoples will take them along and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them as an inheritance in the land of the LORD as male servants and female servants; and they will take their captors captive and will rule over their oppressors. ( these people will be falling in line with galatians 6 vs 7. majority of the slaves will be caucasians ( edomites ) because they had the israelites in slavery in america ( deut 28 vs 68 ) for almost 300 years. so its payback time in the kingdom. you do know african americans are israelites under the deuteronomy 28 vs 68 prophesys right ? jeremiah 30 vs 16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey. revelations 13 vs 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 1 Like |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 10:12am On Jun 02, 2012 |
yamakuza: reading The Second Coming link on www.countdown.org/futureforetold/ ,rapture is to do with the saints while second coming is to do with christ. |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by cowgurl: 11:28am On Jun 02, 2012 |
musKeeto: Yeah, I have.. but there's a caveat: Jesus claims the generation he's talking to will not pass till those signs have come, then the end... Hey MusKeeto, reading through that scripture made me undastood wat u n ijawkid wrote about end time (thanks Dagods, n my answer to ur question above is No). N yeah, that particular verse got me thinking as well, so let me throw it to Buzugee (Hi, read through your posts and they were indeed enlightening), pls do justice to MusKeeto's question and also u wrote about 2 eras, if we are going through the gentile's where then is the Righteous'? Howdy Yamakuza, you did a good job with ur questions n tenks 4 the links. 2 Likes |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by cowgurl: 11:32am On Jun 02, 2012 |
Plus is it okay if I say Endtime precedes Rapture? So indeed we are going through endtimes, but what happens when solutions/answers are discovered to these signs and instead of intensifying they are being minimized, wer would that leave endtime then? |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 12:11pm On Jun 02, 2012 |
buzugee: rapture is to do with the saints while second coming is to do with christ. thanks, its clearer now. Read somewhere its going to take 3.5 years from rapture to 2nd coming. Also read that a generation could be 40, 70 or 120 yrs. Calculating from when the Israelites moved into Palestine in 1948 gives 1988, 2018 or 2068 (as per the This Generation shall not pass away). 1 Like |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by yamakuza: 12:21pm On Jun 02, 2012 |
cowgurl: Plus is it okay if I say Endtime precedes Rapture?yes. Personally, i believe the ENDTIMES started since Jesus left. Even the apostles were waiting for it. No wonder people of this age no longer believe in it. So indeed we are going through endtimes, but what happens when solutions/answers are discovered to these signs and instead of intensifying they are being minimized, wer would that leave endtime then? na today? If endtime started 2000 years ago, why havent we found all the solutions? New problems surface everyday as old ones are being solved/contained eg diseases. Remember that all the seals are yet to be opened. [s] On a lighter note, have they opened the one where 7 women will cling to 1 man? Or is that a different package? [/s] |
| Re: END TIME, What Is It Anyways? by buzugee(m): 12:21pm On Jun 02, 2012 |
cowgurl:MATTHEW 24 VS 24 - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. This is called speaking in parables. this is a clever way of saying that ' all these things will be fulfilled no matter what '. he is speaking to his disciples. the disciples obviously are israelites. israelites will never experience the second death because their sins will be atoned for by christ. the second death is the destruction of your spirit in the lake of fire. israelites will not experience this. as such israelites are in this world forever spiritually. their body wears out and dies but they reincarnate back into the world in the 3rd or fourth generation. as such that generation shall never ever pass. they will keep getting recycled back into new bodies every third or fourth generation. so as such, jesus is saying that seeing as this generation will never ever pass, all these things will be definitely fulfilled. its a smart way of making a definitive statement. its like saying 'sure as death is a reality, i am a billionaire ' meaning the guy is definitely letting you know that he is a billionaire. second part of the question- the righteous era kicks in when the second coming of christ happens and he takes control of the kingdom of earth and starts ruling it with the saints from jerusalem daniel 2 vs 44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. 1 Like |
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