cowgurl: Plus is it okay if I say Endtime precedes Rapture?
So indeed we are going through endtimes, but what happens when solutions/answers are discovered to these signs and instead of intensifying they are being minimized, wer would that leave endtime then?

end-times precedes rapture and no answers will be discovered to make the intensity of the signs reduced. prophesy has to be fulfilled. it is what it is. if things ease up, then it wasnt end-times yet, although from the look of things ( babylon-america) it looks like we are definitely in end times. the last kingdom to rule on earth before the endtimes will be babylon ( america ) and it is already crumbling as pertains to isaiah chapter 14. all the signs are there that it is decaying fast

yamakuza:

thanks, its clearer now.

Read somewhere its going to take 3.5 years from rapture to 2nd coming.

Also read that a generation could be 40, 70 or 120 yrs.

Calculating from when the Israelites moved into Palestine in 1948 gives 1988, 2018 or 2068 (as per the This Generation shall not pass away).

3.5 years in jewish years but 12 hours is a whole day in jewish calendar. so its 7 years. and those israelites in palestine are not the real israelites. they are revelation 2 vs 9 and revelation 3 vs 9.

buzugee: end-times precedes rapture and no answers will be discovered to make the intensity of the signs reduced. prophesy has to be fulfilled. it is what it is. if things ease up, then it wasnt end-times yet, although from the look of things ( babylon-america) it looks like we are definitely in end times. the last kingdom to rule on earth before the endtimes will be babylon ( america ) and it is already crumbling as pertains to isaiah chapter 14. all the signs are there that it is decaying fast

how about the church ages?

We are in the 7th and final one, right?

yamakuza:

how about the church ages?

We are in the 7th and final one, right?

what is the church ages ? lol. explain it further please

yamakuza:

how about the church ages?

We are in the 7th and final one, right?

ahhh you talking about this http://www.scionofzion.com/2002church_age_in_scripture.htm ? sounds like the doctrine of devils. didnt harold camping come up with this term ? its not in the bible so its man-made terminology. i wouldnt pay it no mind.

buzugee: i forget the name of the valley but its a valley somewhere. maybe jehosophat or something. i will check it later. rapture does not mean they are going into the skies. thats roman catholic mythological doctrine. simply means they will be gathered from the four corners of the earth and put in a safe place on earth while the rest of the people on earth get destroyed in the plague. those who come out of the great tribulation will be the wicked who survive. and they will be the first crop of slaves in the kingdom ( yes there is slavery in the kingdom. revelation 13 vs 10, isaiah 14 vs 2, jeremiah 30 vs 16 ). those those who are unfortunate to survive will be the first crops of slaves in the kingdom who will rebuild the kingdom for the saints )

Lol..

Ok so u don't believe in d catholic rapture...

Me too I don't.....

But almost all d churches in d world believe in that rapture....

What's ur take

buzugee: what is the church ages ? lol. explain it further please

Rev. 3:14-22

www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/The%20Age%20of%20Laodicea%20has%20arrived%20next%20comes%20the%20rapture%20and%20the%20tribulation.htm

www.biblebelievers.org.au/7ch045.htm

yamakuza:
yes.

Personally, i believe the ENDTIMES started since Jesus left.

Even the apostles were waiting for it.

No wonder people of this age no longer believe in it.

True that!

na today?

If endtime started 2000 years ago, why havent we found all the solutions?

Maybe research is still ongoing, that's why:
New problems surface everyday as old ones are being solved/contained eg diseases.

Remember that all the seals are yet to be opened.[quote/]

Are you doing a research on endtime? Get me the link to the seals as well.

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On a lighter note, have they opened the one where 7 women will cling to 1 man? Or is that a different package?
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Now that was funny.

buzugee: ahhh you talking about this http://www.scionofzion.com/2002church_age_in_scripture.htm ? sounds like the doctrine of devils. didnt harold camping come up with this term ? its not in the bible so its man-made terminology. i wouldnt pay it no mind.

was talking of the Dispensational one. Seems you dont believe in either.

So, what do you know about the antichrist and the mark of the beast?

Seems both will have to be around before the rapture can take place.

That might still be a while seeing as technology is yet to get to grassroot levels.

Economic meltdown in America and Europe might push up the one world government faster.

Whats the role of China in all this? How about Iraq/Iran (ancient Babylon?).

[quote author=buzugee]the second death is the destruction of your spirit in the lake of fire. israelites will not experience this. as such israelites are in this world forever spiritually. their body wears out and dies but they reincarnate back into the world in the 3rd or fourth generation. as such that generation shall never ever pass. they will keep getting recycled back into new bodies every third or fourth generation.[quote/]

Thanks once again, is the above from the book of revelation? I find it very difficult comprehending that book.

cowgurl: Are you doing a research on endtime?

not really. Just sunday school stuff from long ago.

Get me the link to the seals as well.

its somewhere in Revelations 5-6. I'll google it up:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_seven_seals_in_the_Bible

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_seals

www.w3school.com/Documents/Bible_Prophecy/7_seals_trumpets_vials.htm

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I used to think the seals would be opened after the rapture, during the trib, but buzugee thinks different. Wonder what sect he is. Book of Esdras? Hmmn!

Book of revelation? Oh no, not that book.
Thought u infered from above about a number of the seals being opened and some not?
If yes, then what other seals are u writing about being opened after rapture?

cowgurl: Book of revelation? Oh no, not that book.
Thought u infered from above about a number of the seals being opened and some not?
If yes, then what other seals are u writing about being opened after rapture?

from the links above, seems buzugee is right: the seals are already being opened.

If u are scared of Revelations, the links above pretty much cover everything and wont give you nightmares.

From the wikianswers link, you'll see that the 5th seal hasnt been opened. (Seems the rapture will take place after it,) then the 6th and 7th will be opened. Then the 2nd coming (or rapture?)

7th seal = 2nd coming

6th seal = trib(cosmic signs)

5th seal = trib(church persecution)

<-- where we are -->

1st - 4th seal = apocalypse (war, famine, disease, earthquakes, etc)

from the above, it looks like the church will be part of the great tribulation, which will be cut short to 3.5yrs so the elect can survive.

Scary!

cowgurl: Me inclusive right? Cos I do know how to rant. You call getting all wrinkled up cool? Now that's interesting. So you wanna tell me what nonesense u think of the word end time?

it's nonsense cos it's not gonna happen. It's all part of the many nice stories christianity has managed to fashion in its long existence

Hmm, really? Now I see the reason behind your first emoticon.
@ Yamakuza. Thanks a zillion, u've been indeed helpful.

cowgurl: Hmm, really? Now I see the reason behind your first emoticon.
@ Yamakuza. Thanks a zillion, u've been indeed helpful.

yw.

Nice to know all your questions have been answered.

ijawkid:

Lol..

Ok so u don't believe in d catholic rapture...

Me too I don't.....

But almost all d churches in d world believe in that rapture....

What's ur take

well you do know the church is a sensationalist establishment. the more sensationalism they can get, the more people they can draw in. cant quite remember the verses but from what i have read, the lord will gather his elect from the four corners of the earth and take them out of harms way before the plagues. nothing happens in the skies. all physical beings stay on earth. spiritual beings return to the lord in the heavenly dimensions ( ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 ). physical humans are not going up into the skies. a lot of these words are taken out of context. 'heaven' in the bible most of the time means 'earth', because this is what the earth was initially before 'sin'. if you look at lamentations 2 vs 1 and matthew 11 vs 12 and jeremiah 51 vs 53, you will see that heaven most times used in the bible means 'earth. so my point is, you have to read the bible for yourself with an open mind and heightened senses. you cant let other people lie to you. scripture says ' study to show yourself approved'. once you study the scriptures hard, the lord opens up the understanding to you.

yamakuza:

Rev. 3:14-22

www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/The%20Age%20of%20Laodicea%20has%20arrived%20next%20comes%20the%20rapture%20and%20the%20tribulation.htm

www.biblebelievers.org.au/7ch045.htm

Chief i just read those verses. says nothing about church ages

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14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy unclothedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
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what version of bible are you reading ? forget those links. all these organizations bring confusion. you have to read the bible yourself. these are simply an 'euphemism' for 'introducing christ to the world and how he has come to unite both jews and gentiles under the law and hence spreading the good news to the world and be steadfast and strong bla bla bla bla ' i suppose if we go by what those guys mean by church ages, it means the era of spreading the gospel throughout the world, which in that case this started after the death of christ.

yamakuza:

was talking of the Dispensational one. Seems you dont believe in either.

So, what do you know about the antichrist and the mark of the beast?

Seems both will have to be around before the rapture can take place.

That might still be a while seeing as technology is yet to get to grassroot levels.

Economic meltdown in America and Europe might push up the one world government faster.

Whats the role of China in all this? How about Iraq/Iran (ancient Babylon?).

well technically the church ages ( which i believe you mean the spread of the gospel to the gentiles and the apostate jews started after christ died )

the antichrist is not one person. the antichrist is anyone who opposes christ. an atheist is an antichrist. however if you are talking about the establishment that will be the antichrist in the bible, i dont like to get too deep into it but i will give you a clue. the number of the beast is when you add all the ROMAN numerals together
I-ONE
V-FIVE
X-TEN
L-FIFTY
C-ONE HUNDRED
D-FIVE HUNDRED
addd them all together 666
and the image of the beast is a ROMAN man who is the son of pope alexander the 6th of rome called cesare borgia. this is the image of christ worshipped by the whole world. that white image of christ. thats the image of the beast. now i will leave you to do your own research after that.

china is called moab and iran is called the medes, these two countries along with russia will trigger the third world war. its all in the book of isaiah. and then all european countries will eventually join them and turn on america ( revelations ) and blow it off the map. 'babylon has been destroyed' and all the merchants of the earth who made money from her shall be in mourning ( thats all you business men who do bidness with america lol )

This is actually the first time i am hearing there are no church ages, as outlined in Rev 3.

I was taught the Dispensational Chronology.

I'll research more into the info on the site you dropped earlier.

Thanks
ps: are you a pastor?
What kind of Bible do u use? Mine has no Esdra. Just Ezra.

Thanks once again, is the above from the book of revelation? I find it very difficult comprehending that book.

yup cowgurl its from the book of revelation and isaiah and daniel

yamakuza: This is actually the first time i am hearing there are no church ages, as outlined in Rev 3.

I was taught the Dispensational Chronology.

I'll research more into the info on the site you dropped earlier.

Thanks
ps: are you a pastor?
What kind of Bible do u use? Mine has no Esdra. Just Ezra.

you are following religion. thats the problem. i have read the book of revelation many times and i have never heard it refered to as the church ages. those are just letters to the churches ( which means the people and not a physical church ) in ephesus and sardis, the 7 churches all over the world ( which is a metaphor for everyone in the world ). ( revelation 1-3), thats all those are. but the church people had to sensationalize it by calling it the church ages. i read the KJV and esdras is in the apocrypha. this is part of the KJV1611 but has been removed from most bibles in the 1800s. it is technically the book of ezra 3 and ezra 4. but it is in the apocrypha as 1st esdras and 2nd esdras. no i am not a pastor.

buzugee: well technically the church ages ( which i believe you mean the spread of the gospel to the gentiles and the apostate jews started after christ died )

true that!

the antichrist is not one person. the antichrist is anyone who opposes christ. an atheist is an antichrist. however if you are talking about the establishment that will be the antichrist in the bible, i dont like to get too deep into it but i will give you a clue. the number of the beast is when you add all the ROMAN numerals together
I-ONE
V-FIVE
X-TEN
L-FIFTY
C-ONE HUNDRED
D-FIVE HUNDRED
addd them all together 666

interesting!
Seems you imply the beast/antichrist will come from Italy.

I've seen other theories on that 666.

1. If you add up all the Roman Numerals of the word COMPUTER, you get 666. Seems to tie in with the cashless society thing.

2. The Bible says its the number of a man. I've seen that number calculated from a pope's name before, but i forget which.

and the image of the beast is a ROMAN man who is the son of pope alexander the 6th of rome called cesare borgia. this is the image of christ worshipped by the whole world. that white image of christ. thats the image of the beast. now i will leave you to do your own research after that.

very interesting.

china is called moab and iran is called the medes, these two countries along with russia will trigger the third world war. its all in the book of isaiah. and then all european countries will eventually join them and turn on america ( revelations ) and blow it off the map.

lol @ blowing off the map

ww3 still seems far away, thankfully.

'babylon has been destroyed' and all the merchants of the earth who made money from her shall be in mourning ( thats all you business men who do bidness with america lol )

lol @ that.

So, America is the mystery babylon?

How about the jezebel?

yamakuza:

true that!



interesting!
Seems you imply the beast/antichrist will come from Italy.

I've seen other theories on that 666.

1. If you add up all the Roman Numerals of the word COMPUTER, you get 666. Seems to tie in with the cashless society thing.

2. The Bible says its the number of a man. I've seen that number calculated from a pope's name before, but i forget which.



very interesting.



lol @ blowing off the map

ww3 still seems far away, thankfully.



lol @ that.

So, America is the mystery babylon?

How about the jezebel?

no the antichrist is not coming from italy . this is why i said you have to research from that point on. but let me give you one more pointer, when it says rome, not modern day rome. what empire ruled the world when christ was around ( which will be the last gentile empire on earth ) ? the roman empire. what happened to the roman empire ? it morphed into something else. now it is up to you to find out what it morphed into. if you can untangle that little mystery, you will have untangled most of the bible. but this website may have spies watching what we type or agents etc, so i shall choose to be safe

ww3 is around the corner. american troops are already in israel. iran and china and russia are training for it as we speak. if it does not pop off in under a year or two at most, i will be very surprised.

True that about the spies. Wouldnt want to rile up anyone on here either.

ww3 around the corner? That doesnt fit into the 7 seals timeline o! Shouldnt it be after the 5th one?

We are truly in the last days. Hope we see 2020.

yamakuza:
True that about the spies. Wouldnt want to rile up anyone on here either.

ww3 around the corner? That doesnt fit into the 7 seals timeline o! Shouldnt it be after the 5th one?

We are truly in the last days. Hope we see 2020.

lots of people have been getting eaten up by wild animals especially sharks lately. i personally know of over 10 cases within the past few months. and some pastor got killed by his snake. this is the fourth seal.

the fifth seal is those who have been slaughtered because of Gods words ( that started from the maccabees era or even beyond. so this seal is already activated )

i dont think we have 5 years before the third world war. and i am being generous when i say 5 years.

when i say spies, i mean CIA spies LOL. you do know they watch all websites right ? america has a huge interest in nigeria ( oil ) so it is important for them to gauge the moods of the people. this they do through websites like this. whats the most popular website in naija ? this will be one of them so this place will be crawling with CIA agents.

so for any CIA agent watching, we dont care about the oil. you can have it all. all we are concerned about is getting into the kingdom and drinkin that nice organic wine from our vineyards and having 100 concubines like king solomon JK. but yeah you can have all the oil. we dont care.

buzugee: lots of people have been getting eaten up by wild animals especially sharks lately. i personally know of over 10 cases within the past few months. and some pastor got killed by his snake. this is the fourth seal.

the fifth seal is those who have been slaughtered because of Gods words ( that started from the maccabees era or even beyond. so this seal is already activated )

i dont think we have 5 years before the third world war. and i am being generous when i say 5 years.

when i say spies, i mean CIA spies LOL. you do know they watch all websites right ? america has a huge interest in nigeria ( oil ) so it is important for them to gauge the moods of the people. this they do through websites like this. whats the most popular website in naija ? this will be one of them so this place will be crawling with CIA agents.

got d part about the spies earlier on. Twasnt spies on NL i didnt want to rile up. More like the catholics.

From your outline, i can get why you believe there'll be no ascension at rapture.

If the 5th seal has already been broken, the next things will be

one world govt
mark of the beast
ww3
6th seal (cosmic signs)
7th seal (2nd coming/rapture)

the looming economic meltdown might just accelerate the one world order.

yamakuza:

got d part about the spies earlier on. Twasnt spies on NL i didnt want to rile up. More like the catholics.

From your outline, i can get why you believe there'll be no ascension at rapture.

If the 5th seal has already been broken, the next things will be

one world govt
mark of the beast
ww3
6th seal (cosmic signs)
7th seal (2nd coming/rapture)

the looming economic meltdown might just accelerate the one world order.

i dont try to follow the order of the seals because some of them happen simultaneously such as the 2nd and the 4th seal. i dont even concern myself with the order of things that will happen till the end or the sequence. i see that is really heavy with you guys. the order and sequence of events. all i know is all physical body stays on earth and spiritual bodies return to the father ( ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 ). as such i know rapture is a word taken out of context. like i said i have read where it says the lord will gather his people from the four corners of the earth. this is like a mass exodus on land. not no flying in the air. the lord has already started putting it in the spirits of a lot of people to leave certain countries. as we speak there is mass exodus of 'born again christians' out of america. they are all running out of america. see, the lord puts that spirit on you to relocate and get out of harms way. this is rapture. watch this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-39obDcOEY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIOIfnT-4Og




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLdSmwohwYQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qvkPsdFoiw&feature=related

there are millions of people fleeing america now as we speak. thats the lords spirit moving people. this is what rapture will look like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWfaImGN_wo

pre-rapture

@Buzugee pls any bible refrence on ur claim?

Dagods: @Buzugee pls any bible refrence on ur claim?

MATTHEW 24 VS 31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet-blast, and they will bring together His own People to Him from north, south, east and west--from one extremity of the world to the other. BE CAREFUL NOT TO LITERALLY INTERPRET THE TRUMPET BLAST. REMEMBER THE ANGELS CONTROL THE ELEMENTS ( SUN WIND RAIN THUNDER ETC ) SO THE TRUMPET BLAST COULD MEAN A VIBE AND VIBRATION IS PUT IN THE SPIRIT OF ALL THE ELECT TO FLEE. A MASS EXODUS. THIS WILL BE RAPTURE.