ijawkid:

Or let us reason this way according to goshens analogy....

1......If goshen as son(from a parent) dies in a car aCcident(God forbid..goshen is my beloved brother) While going to see his parents would we say goshen as Father(to his own children) and goshen as husband(to a wife) will still keep living or that it just a manifestation of goshen that died and not Goshen ??......


Ok let's look @ it this way......

2.....Is it possible for Goshen as Father(to his children) pick up a phone and call Goshen as son(to his parents) in an in.stance??....won't we call goshen a mad man suffering from schizophrenia??....

My point::::

From 1.....trinitarians and goshen is saying that a part of God can die and that infact God did die.....that would be the most stupid thing that ever happened.....

From 2......trinitarians are also saying that when Jesus said the Father is greater than He is ,he(Jesus) was on some shekpe and infact forgot who he was........and that Jesus was suffering from multiple personality disorder........
Also when Yahweh spoke to Jesus from heaven,just as Goshen as Father(to his children) would pick up a phone and call Goshen as son ( to his parents),trinitarians are implying that Yahweh was speaking to himself.....what then do we call God??....


Trinitarians leave trinity alone and stick to what d bible teaches......

^^^
I love that.

haibe: Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith:".
"Christ was revealed in a human body" and vindicated by the
Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations.
He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven
in glory.

"Christ was revealed in a human body"

My brother the trinity is not difficult to comprehend as you think.
For christ to be revealed in a human body, dont you think he must have been in another nature?

The word(who is God)(john 1:1) was made flesh and dwelt among us.(John 1:14)...simple as A B C'

you dont even know what the trinity is saying.

Who said that christ has not existed in heaven befor coming to earth?

Micah 5:2

this is not the issue/problem with the trinity.

haibe: I will just ask a simple question to you anti-trinitarians

^^^

guy, pls, pls pls.

Dont, i repeat, NEVER call me with a name that attached me to the word "TRINITY" again.

If it is a joke just STOP it hence forth.

Never you gum me to that pegan gods again, NEVER.

Just go ahead to ask your question without you calling us anti"trinitarians" again, do you get that?

And this goes to all you trinitarians!!!

Just Imagine that

Is it a joke? STOP IT.

frosbel:

Well so simple to us , but don't forget those who hate simplicity , they will turn one simple verse in the bible on it's head , and form a theology so complex that even 12 volumes will not be enough to contain the content

^^^
very true a statement.

.....laughing in tongues......Abi tongues sef na pagan teaching ni

[quote author=truthislight]

you dont even know what the trinity is saying.

Who said that christ has not existed in heaven befor coming to earth?

Micah 5:2

this is not the issue/problem with the trinity.[/quote)



please how many Gods are in John1:1?

Sorry for calling you anti-trinitarian..even if thats what you are, its a simple english, ANTI(against or oppose), is that not what you are doing?

truthislight:

you dont even know what the trinity is saying.

Who said that christ has not existed in heaven befor coming to earth?

Micah 5:2

this is not the issue/problem with the trinity.

Don't waste your time my brother with trinitarians otherwise you will have a heart attack, it's just like the Catholics or Muslims, show them 1000 pieces of evidence to support the truth and they will keep marching on towards falsehood.

frosbel:

Don't waste your time my brother with trinitarians otherwise you will have a heart attack, it's just like the Catholics or Muslims, show them 1000 pieces of evidence to support the truth and they will keep marching on towards falsehood.

How many Gods are in John1:1 pls?

[quote author=haibe][/quote]

I am proud to be called Anti-Trinitarian


Micah 5:2
But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. (NIV)

1. “Origins” literally signifies a “going out,” hence a beginning or birth, and thus the verse is saying that the birth of the Messiah has been determined, or appointed, from everlasting. In contrast to the Messiah who had an origin, the true God is without origin.

2. The ancient Jews read this verse and realized that it spoke of the birth and birthplace of the Messiah. One of the few things the Jews at the time of Jesus did understand about the Messiah was that he would be born in Bethlehem (Matt. 2:3-6). Yet of the Jews who read, studied, and understood the verse, there is no record that any of them concluded from the wording that Jesus had to be “God incarnate.”

3. The context of Micah makes it clear that the “ruler” from Bethlehem will not be God. This ruler will be born, and have “brothers.” No Jew ever thought God could be born, and the thought of the Creator of the Heavens and earth having brothers was absurd to them. These verses are speaking of God’s anointed king, and the Word declares, not that this ruler will be God, but rather that Yahweh will be “his God” (v. 4). Thus, this text of Micah is clear: a child will be born in Bethlehem and the Israelites will be his brothers, but he will grow up to deliver and rule the nation and stand in the strength of Yahweh his God.

Morgridge, p. 120

haibe:

How many Gods are in John1:1 pls?

one.

frosbel:

one.

"The Word was WITH God" and the Word was God.

Can you just coach Me a little on why and how you concluded that its one God.

Of course i believe its one God too but consisting of 3 persons

haibe:

"The Word was WITH God" and the Word was God.

Can you just coach Me a little on why and how you concluded that its one God.

Of course i believe its one God too but consisting of 3 persons

How can 3 persons be 1 Person, brother,stop confusing yourself.

frosbel:

How can 3 persons be 1 Person, brother,stop confusing yourself.

Thats where the problem is. You dont believe God has the power to exist in 3 persons, even when things lesser than God does.
The universe consists of Time space and matter
Time consists of past present and future
Space consists of length bredth and width
Matter consists of solid liquid and gas
Man consists of body soul and spirit


But we dont believe God who created all has the power to exist also in 3.

Just study your bible well.
God will help u

frosbel:

one.

The same John 1:1 that you used to prove the deity and pre-existence of Christ as GOD in the past is now the same verse with which you say one God when the same verse proves otherwise........brother Frosbel, afraid don dey catch me for you this days o.....hope say you never go join some kind "club"

haibe:
Thats where the problem is. You dont believe God has the power to exist in 3 persons, even when things lesser than God does.
The universe consists of Time space and matter
Time consists of past present and future
Space consists of length bredth and width
Matter consists of solid liquid and gas
Man consists of body soul and spirit


But we dont believe God who created all has the power to exist also in 3.

Just study your bible well.
God will help u

what !!!


Your argument is a non-starter.

The last point is null and void.

If indeed I am spirit , soul and body , then I am made up of three substances constituting into one essence , not 3. For example , and using your argument , my soul does not have a mind of it's own which is separate to my body and spirit.

This is just a farce, admit it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGCtsJvh0bQ

Goshen360:

The same John 1:1 that you used to prove the deity and pre-existence of Christ as GOD in the past is now the same verse with which you say one God when the same verse proves otherwise........brother Frosbel, afraid don dey catch me for you this days o.....hope say you never go join some kind "club"

My comrade and chief.....general goshen.....I throw way salute......:-)....

How u dey na??....

Wetin dey shelle for ya side??

Delafruita: every single version of that verse makes it clear that yeshwa and yahweh are different entities.if after reading it,you felt it was in favour of trinity,i have to question your comprehension skills

it shows that d fada and son are distinct, but it also say that yeshua is 'true God' if u didnt notice the i question ur comprehension skills. It makes me remember d nicea creed "i believe in 1 lord Jesus christ d only bgoten son of God, born of d fad b4 all ages, God from God, light from light, true God from true God

ijawkid:

My comrade and chief.....general goshen.....I throw way salute......:-)....

How u dey na??....

Wetin dey shelle for ya side??

My brother.....Trinity or no Trinity.....we remain brothers in Christ till Christ returns even brother Frosbel, Pastor Kun, truthislight, Delafruita and other anti-trinity. There is no division in Christ. I only pulled that verse for you guys to see and read especially from many translation when I wasn't too sure what that scripture was saying. Some translations explicitly called Jesus the true God. I don't query translations but use many of them to amplify my understanding.

I dey fine o.....just siddon dey look. Am just weary of argument, I believe I should be drawing souls closer to Christ and God's kingdom. Email me bro. God bless you.

Goshen360:

My brother.....Trinity or no Trinity.....we remain brothers in Christ till Christ returns even brother Frosbel, Pastor Kun, truthislight, Delafruita and other anti-trinity. There is no division in Christ. I only pulled that verse for you guys to see and read especially from many translation when I wasn't too sure what that scripture was saying. Some translations explicitly called Jesus the true God. I don't query translations but use many of them to amplify my understanding.

I dey fine o.....just siddon dey look. Am just weary of argument, I believe I should be drawing souls closer to Christ and God's kingdom. Email me bro. God bless you.

As God is united, that is, tri-une, so the body of Christ must be united in Christ, not in error otherwise we would say unionism. Those who deny the deity of Christ are sidetracked and are on their own.

frosbel:

Don't waste your time my brother with trinitarians otherwise you will have a heart attack, it's just like the Catholics or Muslims, show them 1000 pieces of evidence to support the truth and they will keep marching on towards falsehood.

im not suprised, it seems u ur mind d worst thing dat can happen to a person is to become a catholic. U are letting ur hatred ride u, it will take u places u would rather not go.
Peace

OLAADEGBU:

As God is united, that is, tri-une, so the body of Christ must be united in Christ, not in error otherwise we would say unionism. Those who deny the deity of Christ are sidetracked and are on their own.

No one is denying the deity of Christ.

We are simply saying that he is not YAHWEH.

Yahweh or Almighty GOD is one Person, the suggestion that he is made up of 3 separate persons is a blasphemous insult.

frosbel:

No one is denying the deity of Christ.

We are simply saying that he is not YAHWEH.

Yahweh or Almighty GOD is one Person, the suggestion that he is made up of 3 separate persons is a blasphemous insult.

This is just d message we've been trying to get across.....

But it seems a pagan triology won't let it get through.....

frosbel:

No one is denying the deity of Christ.

We are simply saying that he is not YAHWEH.

Yahweh or Almighty GOD is one Person, the suggestion that he is made up of 3 separate persons is a blasphemous insult.

Don't mind olaadegbu, he is such a dis-honest character he is fond of quoting people out of context and putting words in people's mouth to cast them in bad light. The clown probably think this is a popularity contest.

frosbel:

No one is denying the deity of Christ.

We are simply saying that he is not YAHWEH.

Yahweh or Almighty GOD is one Person, the suggestion that he is made up of 3 separate persons is a blasphemous insult.

Whoa! Are you saying christ is a god ?

haibe:

Whoa! Are you saying christ is a god ?

You of all persons shuld know...

All heavenly beings are divine and are ELOHIM....

Didn't u read it in the bible??

Trinitarians have resorted to lying , when did I say that Christ is GOD

Maybe a dictionary will come in handy to check the meaning of deity.

frosbel: Trinitarians have resorted to lying , when did I say that Christ is GOD

Maybe a dictionary will come in handy to check the meaning of deity.

They do indeed need there dictionaries....

They've restricted themselves to just one definition of the word ""deity"".........

frosbel: Trinitarians have resorted to lying , when did I say that Christ is GOD

Maybe a dictionary will come in handy to check the meaning of deity.

Ok am sorry, do you also believe all heavenly beings are elohim ?

frosbel: Trinitarians have resorted to lying , when did I say that Christ is GOD

Maybe a dictionary will come in handy to check the meaning of deity.

This is what you claim in another thread and it just shows how confused you are:

frosbel:

The deity of our Lord and Saviour cannot be argued.

Jesus Christ is GOD in the 'flesh ' , in him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily ,end of story. I have held on to this for 25 years, so don't panic

Let us move on to preach the good news of the kingdom

Blessings

The problem are the folks you deceive on a daily basis with your deceptions.

OLAADEGBU:

This is what you claim in another thread and it just shows how confused you are:



The problem are the folks you deceive on a daily basis with your deceptions.

Like Pastor Kun rightly said , and he seems to know you better from experience, you resort to 'putting words into peoples mouths' , this I hope you know is called Lying.

What happens to Liars on the last day ?

Now, I'm not so much into the use of d word "trinity", but several scriptures support d fact that Jesus is God..
In Heb1:8, the father explicitly declares that the son is God..the last two verses there clearly punctures the theory of Jesus being an angel as promoted by Jehovah's witnesses.
In John 20:28, thomas calls the resurrected Jesus his Lord and God. Now, thomas being a devout Jew would have been fully aware that God is one (Deut 6), and any attempt to ascribe the position of "God" to another, will amount to blasphemy..Now this was the reason Jesus was killed because the jews frowned at the fact that he made himself equal with God (John 5:18)..I will not want to delve into greek and hebrew etymology, but the word "Son of God" as appropriated to Jesus had a deeper meaning than just a father-son relationship in the usual context..This explains why in Job 1, phil 2:15, the use of "son(s) of God" did not infer equality with God as it did in Jesus' speech in John 5..
In the prophecy about his birth (Isaiah 9), Jesus was described with very powerful terms including "Mighty God" and "Everlasting father" (a title Jesus himself stated was meant only for "Yahweh"..was Jesus then contradicting Isaiah? I dare to say a big NO, because by inspiration Paul alluded in Phil 2:6-9, that Jesus being in the form of God, and EQUAL to him had to humble himself as a human, so that the father may be glorified.. And his reward for this? The father has greatly exalted him and bestowed greatness on his name such that it is the most powerful in God's cosmos...In short God chooses to be addressed by the name Jesus.. Now, before I'm accused of heresy please let's look at the scripture:
In Matt 28:19, Jesus specifically instructs his disciples to baptize in the name (not names) of the "Father, Son and the Holyghost" but in Acts 2:38 and several other scriptures we find the disciples baptizing in the name of "JESUS"..Could this be rebellion?
NO...These guys knew what they were doing. They have been with the master all along to make such a costly and basic mistake..
The issue of the Godhead has always been controversial..even the great apostle Paul found it mysterious (1tim 3:16)..So it's okay if we are skeptical, but the scriptures are clear about it..
Most of this write-up was typed with my fone, so I'm sorry if there's difficulty in reading it.