OmoPastor:
what is this now? i asked you a question and you are asking me another before answering mine?
answer me first then we can look into your question afterwards

The guy relish arguing without substance but stubbornness.

frosbel:



You need 2 things :

1. Wisdom ( God's wisdom )
2. Humility to reexamine these concepts in the light of TRUTH not TRADITION.

I understand that I don't understand my friend, no man does. But through scriptures I exhibit wisdom far beyond your logic and reason.

frosbel, want to ask you again; are you born again? yes or no

shdemidemi:
I understand that I don't understand my friend, no man does. But through scriptures I exhibit wisdom far beyond your logic and reason.

In other words you agree that you are working with 'blind' faith while I accept I apply 'logical' faith, for we all need faith at some level irrespective.

OmoPastor: frosbel, want to ask you again; are you born again? yes or no

Leave that to GOD

frosbel:

In other words you agree that you are working with 'blind' faith while I accept I apply 'logical' faith, for we all need faith at some level irrespective.

bro, it does not seem we are talking on the same wavelength. True, you are a christian but you are as carnal as they come.

frosbel:


Leave that to GOD

You can't even answer a simple question like that...let me confuse you, I am not born again myself.

shdemidemi:

You can't even answer a simple question like that...let me confuse you, I am not born again myself.

no wonder !!

shdemidemi:

bro, it does not seem we are talking on the same wavelength. True, you are a christian but you are as carnal as they come.

Yet a carnal Christian keeps stumping you with the truth, bro do some learning.

frosbel:

no wonder !!

I knew you were going to jump at that, as a gentile I can't be bornagain and I can't repent because it is of the jew. They were at the pent with God before so they can re-pent. As a gentile that came in to the Lord, I am simply a believer of the gospel.You need lessons(I speak as a man)

shdemidemi:

I knew you were going to jump at that, as a gentile I can't be bornagain and I can't repent because it is of the jew. They were at the pent with God before so they can re-pent. As a gentile that came in to the Lord, I am simply a believer of the gospel.You need lessons(I speak as a man)

Total and arrant nonsense.

The standards of the gospel are the same for ALL.

It,s either Paul is lying by saying God was made manifest in the flesh( a mystery really) or frosbel and his cohorts remain confirmed liars.

frosbel:

Total and arrant nonsense.

The standards of the gospel are the same for ALL.

you are so arrogant, its all good. I rest my case, believe what you believe.

frosbel:

Leave that to GOD

ok bro then you should leave the trinity concept to God too abi?

OmoPastor:

ok bro then you should leave the trinity concept to God too abi?

But God never gave us the trinity concept na, rather you should tell us to leave it to the RCC that invented it.

Bidam: It,s either Paul is lying by saying God was made manifest in the flesh( a mystery really) or frosbel and his cohorts remain confirmed liars.

Bidam, I had educated you on this a few articles away, I hope you do not have a porous memory.


Here it is again :



phaneroó: to make visible, make clear
Original Word: φανερόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: phaneroó
Phonetic Spelling: (fan-er-o'-o)
Short Definition: I make clear, visible, or manifest
Definition: I make clear (visible, manifest), make known.



The character and modi operandi of GOD was revealed very clearly though his SON who truly "expresses the very character of God" - Hebrews 1:3

shdemidemi:

you are so arrogant, its all good. I rest my case, believe what you believe.

arrogant because I reject your MYTH

Will I be humble in your eyes if I submitted to the 'TRINITY' ?

frosbel:

arrogant because I reject your MYTH

Will I be humble in your eyes if I submitted to the 'TRINITY' ?

What does it matter, It is for your good not mine. All I am saying is that you don't know much, you need to learn properly before teaching others.

shdemidemi: What does it matter, It is for your good not mine. All I am saying is that you don't know much, you need to learn properly before teaching others.

It is not for my good , because it is spiritually a non starter , besides i agree I do not know much, however on this doctrine, I am 1000% certain of it's fallaciousness.

frosbel:

It is not for my good , because it is spiritually a non starter , besides i agree I do not know much, however on this doctrine, I am 1000% certain of it's fallaciousness.

Don't fight the scripture then, if you agree you don't know much, the scripture says-
1 Timothy 3:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

why fight it?

shdemidemi:

Don't fight the scripture then, if you agree you don't know much, the scripture says-
1 Timothy 3:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

why fight it?

shdemidemi, I had educated Bidam on this a few comments away, I hope you do not have a porous memory.


Here it is again :



phaneroó: to make visible, make clear
Original Word: φανερόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: phaneroó
Phonetic Spelling: (fan-er-o'-o)
Short Definition: I make clear, visible, or manifest
Definition: I make clear (visible, manifest), make known.



The character and modi operandi of GOD was revealed very clearly though his SON who truly "expresses the very character of God" - Hebrews 1:3

frosbel:


shdemidemi, I had educated Bidam on this a few comments away, I hope you do not have a porous memory.


Here it is again :



phaneroó: to make visible, make clear
Original Word: φανερόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: phaneroó
Phonetic Spelling: (fan-er-o'-o)
Short Definition: I make clear, visible, or manifest
Definition: I make clear (visible, manifest), make known.

The character and modi operandi of GOD was [b]revealed very clearly though his SON [/b]who truly "expresses the very character of God" - Hebrews 1:3

You educated him with your interpretation..ok, keep educating him.

The definition says manifest means visible, made clear. How does that change what the Apostle said, you now come up with son when it says flesh in the scriptures.

shdemidemi:

You educated him with your interpretation..ok, keep educating him.

Actually the above was taken from a Lexicon while describing the meaning of certain words in the context of the original language.

shdemidemi:

Don't fight the scripture then, if you agree you don't know much, the scripture says-
1 Timothy 3:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

why fight it?

It is only the KJV that uses God in 1 timothy 3:16 and it as been established to be a deliberate twisting of scripture on the part of the KJV translators to justify the trinity dogma. Most other translations properly translate it thus:

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: he was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

frosbel:



Bidam, I had educated you on this a few articles away, I hope you do not have a porous memory.


Here it is again :



phaneroó: to make visible, make clear
Original Word: φανερόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: phaneroó
Phonetic Spelling: (fan-er-o'-o)
Short Definition: I make clear, visible, or manifest
Definition: I make clear (visible, manifest), make known.



The character and modi operandi of GOD was revealed very clearly though his SON who truly "expresses the very character of God" - Hebrews 1:3

The character and modi operandi of God to borrow your phrase was also revealed clearly through the prophets. But let's use your definition and exchange manifest for visible and lets see how that scripture sounds.# Without controversy GOD WAS MADE Visible IN THE FLESH#. How you see this one?

Pastor Kun:

It is only the KJV that uses God in 1 timothy 3:16 and it as been established to be a deliberate twisting of scripture on the part of the KJV translators to justify the trinity dogma. Most other translations properly translate it thus:

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: he was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

You still did not tell us who the he was talking about. Paul actually made that statement..Are you calling Paul a liar?

Bidam: The character and modi operandi of God to borrow your phrase was also revealed clearly through the prophets. But let's use your definition and exchange manifest for visible and lets see how that scripture sounds.# Without controversy GOD WAS MADE Visible IN THE FLESH#. How you see this one?

If GOD was made visible, how come Jesus said :

John 6:46
King James Version (KJV)
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.


Regarding the valid point you raised about the prophets , let scripture explain itself :

Hebrews 1
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
1 In days gone by, God spoke in many and varied ways to the Fathers through the prophets. 2 But now, in the acharit-hayamim, he has spoken to us through his Son, to whom he has given ownership of everything and through whom he created the universe. 3 This Son is the radiance of the Sh’khinah, the very expression of God’s essence, upholding all that exists by his powerful word; and after he had, through himself, made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of HaG’dulah BaM’romim.[a]


If the beautiful scripture above cannot help you , neither can I.

Pastor Kun:

It is only the KJV that uses God in 1 timothy 3:16 and it as been established to be a deliberate twisting of scripture on the part of the KJV translators to justify the trinity dogma. Most other translations properly translate it thus:

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: he was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who exactly is the subject 'He'?

frosbel:

If GOD was made visible, how come Jesus said :

John 6:46
King James Version (KJV)
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.


Regarding the valid point you raised about the prophets , let scripture explain itself :

Hebrews 1
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
1 In days gone by, God spoke in many and varied ways to the Fathers through the prophets. 2 But now, in the acharit-hayamim, he has spoken to us through his Son, to whom he has given ownership of everything and through whom he created the universe. 3 This Son is the radiance of the Sh’khinah, the very expression of God’s essence, upholding all that exists by his powerful word; and after he had, through himself, made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of HaG’dulah BaM’romim.[a]


If the beautiful scripture above cannot help you , neither can I.

And that's why we are telling you that God the Son was made visible, not God the Father who is the Source.All the scripture you quoted attest to this.

[quote author=Bidam]And that's why we are telling you that God the Son was made visible,

No such thing as GOD the SON in the Bible , SON of GOD Yes but never GOD the SON.

[quote author=frosbel][/quote] Agreed no such phrase as God the Son in the bible but it can be inferred in the Pauline epistles you quoted.

Bidam: Agreed no such phrase as God the Son in the bible but it can be inferred in the Pauline epistles you quoted.

You do not infer, you actualise based on presented truths.

The bible repeatedly uses the phrase ' Son of GOD' and never 'God the Son' , I am sure the writers knew what message they intended to convey to the hearers .