OLAADEGBU:
Can Mary hear our prayers? Can Mary or any of the dead saints hear our prayers?

benjibabs:


You already answered you own questions; see the word in bold font. Can anything dead hear?

Christianity is extremely simple; you will actually need someone to help you miss it.

In addition, did you read any where in your bible that you should pray to Mary or saint anything? If not, why would you expect Mary or any so called saint to even hear your prayers, that is if they can HEAR in DEATH in the first place.

Bro, read your bible and follow what the bible says you should do, period!

Jeromejnr:


Judas too was a disciple of Jesus. He healed the sick, preached the word and casted out demons.

Demas who was Paul's partner also was used by God. But what happened?

They later went out of the Way.

So that the Catholics were used by God to put the bible together does not mean they are right in all they do. it does not mean they have not gone out into strange doctrines in some areas.

Better watch watch you believe.

btoks:
Very intriguing. So what gives you the guarantee that the Catholic Church got the canonisation of the bible right if they can be wrong on faith & morals? As you believe in Sola Scriptura,this is very important.

You state 'strange doctrines',how do you think the pharisees and some others felt when they heard Jesus' teachings?Why was he crucified? Because something is strange doesn't automatically make it wrong. E.g. Jesus was born by a Virgin- this we believe in but don't you think others find this strange?
Jesus rose from the dead- I'm sure you believe this but could some people find this strange?
One wonders how you guarantee what you believe?

Jeromejnr:


Very good question. (Now someone is making sense).

But then what guarantees you the fact that you are saved? How do you know? if someone where to ask you that what will you say?

You would go back to the scriptures (the dead sea scrolls) and show them where and how you accept it by faith. (Note: I am not just talking about the 66 books of the bible now but also the Apocryphals). And also the inner witness of the Spirit.

But supposing someone asks you were it is said we can pray to Mary and she can hear our prayers and answer them , where will you turn to? (Because none of that was contained in the dead sea scrolls).

But where did the concept of praying to Mary come from or that she can answer our prayers or that she is now Omniscient and able like God to hands a million requests all coming at the same time? Or even praying to angels?

They came from someone in the second Vatican council. Who just said, well since Mary is the mother of God, we can as well pray to her.

But where is the proof of that in the scripture or apocryphal or the disciples of the apostles writings?. Where do we get the concept that she is now Omniscient?

Remember anything Jesus said, He always referred to and stuck to the scriptures (old testament writings).

Not everything Catholics do is wrong. In fact there is no perfect church. But what we talking about is the concept of praying to Mary.

dmandy:


How market?

You are still out there spreading your hatred on someone whom God called 'full of Grace'. If I were u I would ask to share in that grace.

Jeromejnr:


My long time friend.

Please how can I be hating on someone God called full of Grace. Just as Mary is full of God's grace, so am I right now. Just as God said "He is no respecter of persons" Rom 2:11 & Acts 1:34 and also "we have all received "like precious faith" 2 Pt 1:1.

I am just here to help destroy some wrong teachings in the church. . Why don't we all just stick to the scriptures broda? Why?.

He that has ears to hear, let him hear.

dmandy:


If you are full of grace as you claim, is that a pass to hate on her? Are the two of you in any competition of whose grace is fuller?

She is a loving mother and will continue play her role as the mother of a king, and that is whether u acknowledge it or not.

Jeromejnr:


Only God knows where you saw that I hated her.

BTW, I know force you to believe anything. We all have freewills from God..

Make una free me abeg.

clans:
Last time I checked yes they all do...

dmandy:


Free u?

When u are busy spreading lies and preaching heresy against God's elect.

In how many passages of the Bible did you read that an angel visited someone and started with a greeting and title? U de compete who get fuller grace abi?

U no force me to beleive anything... I no force u either. But u are busy forcing people to join u in the futile fight against the church and the mother of my Lord. Mind u... the gates of hell cannot prevail against it (talk of u).

like it or not.... She will continue to pray for the church (her Son's bride) when she runs out of wine.

Jeromejnr:


Na wa o. When she runs out of which wine . Chai!! See as dem don destroy your brain with man made doctrines.

So you mean me preaching that praying to the Father through Jesus only as prescribed in the scriptures is heresy? Even the Pope will be highly disappointed in you.

So had an Angel greeted anyone or given anyone a title? Lets find out:

1. Judges 6:12 "And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour."

Since Gideon was called amighty man of valor by the angel, why don't you pray to him to fight your battles for you?

2. Daniel 9:21-23 "whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. 23At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved..."

Daniel also was called greatly beloved by the angel (same angel that appeard to Mary). Why don't you pray to him and honor and serve him then

Oga! Go and sit one place first. No be only run out of wine. . SMH.

dmandy:


Yes when the church runs out wine because of people like who continue to turn the bible upside down.

In which of the passages quoted did the angel start with a greeting and a title?

If you were that people pray to God alone through Jesus I won't have a problem with that because that is what the bible and the church preach. But when you spill heresy (from wherw I don't know) that Christians should worship in isolation and pray for one another nor seek the prayers of one another, I dare say with all certainty that you preach heresy. Christ and all the prophets of old never preached that. That my brother is not a man.made doctrine, its a devilish doctrine.

Jeromejnr:


This man, e be like say you drink wine dis morning.

And btw, we are talking of praying to saints in heaven here. Don't try to twist anything. You left the saints that are down here and went to the ones in heaven. And funny enough, some of you don't even believe they are in heaven but are soul sleeping.

I have not even come to praying to angels yet and even bowing down to carved images. I never even start with you.

dmandy:


I wonder what u are waiting for? Attack every teaching of the church, but u know the bible warned her of people like u.

If a saint on earth (who is capable of failing) can pray for me how better can one who has achieved the beatific vision do.

Ask me ur questions.... but stop hating on Mary. She means well for u and for the church.

Jeromejnr:


This man, e be like say you drink wine dis morning.

And btw, we are talking of praying to saints in heaven here. Don't try to twist anything. You left the saints that are down here and went to the ones in heaven. And funny enough, some of you don't even believe they are in heaven but are soul sleeping.

I have not even come to praying to angels yet and even bowing down to carved images. I never even start with you.

Jeromejnr:


This man, e be like say you drink wine dis morning.

And btw, we are talking of praying to saints in heaven here. Don't try to twist anything. You left the saints that are down here and went to the ones in heaven. And funny enough, some of you don't even believe they are in heaven but are soul sleeping.

I have not even come to praying to angels yet and even bowing down to carved images. I never even start with you.

Jeromejnr:


This man, e be like say you drink wine dis morning.

And btw, we are talking of praying to saints in heaven here. Don't try to twist anything. You left the saints that are down here and went to the ones in heaven. And funny enough, some of you don't even believe they are in heaven but are soul sleeping.

I have not even come to praying to angels yet and even bowing down to carved images. I never even start with you.

Jeromejnr:


Please can you show us where beatific vision is in the bible?

and also where it says we can pray to saints in heaven? Then I will keep my mouth shut.

dmandy:


Beatific vision is your dictionary. Have u got one?

I will show u when u start reading the bible with open mind and stop attacking what u don't understand. And acknowledge the Church through whom you got the bible and the Woman through whom Christ was born.

When you are ready to do the above, I will walk you through the bible and you will see for yourself that u have received a lot of souls.

dmandy:


In which of the passages u quoted did the angel
start with a greeting and a title? From your
neglect of the word 'starting' in my question, is it
difficult understanding how u read the bible?
Daniel is a great man of wisdom and honor him
and seek his prayers as well. You have a problem
with that? I don't envy him, I pray to God to
bless me like he did him.

Praying to angels.... yes I do pray to angels, to saints those here and those in heaven....and they convey my request through there master Jesus in form of incense. And they are battle ready to handle any prince of Persia who dares stop them from conveying my request.

In which of the passages u quoted did the angel
start with a greeting and a title? From your
neglect of the word 'starting' in my question, is it
difficult understanding how u read the bible?
Daniel is a great man of wisdom and honor him
and seek his prayers as well. You have a problem
with that? I don't envy him, I pray to God to
bless me like he did him.

Praying to angels.... yes I do pray to angels, to saints those here and those in heaven....and they convey my request through there master Jesus in form of incense. And they are battle ready to handle any prince of Persia who dares stop them from conveying my request.

Kirinwa:


Hahaha you must be deluded. No wonder some say religion is opium of the people.

Last bullet : Mary if in heaven is probably worshipping God and doesn't get una time.

Jeromejnr:


Tell dem broda.

They are trying to disturb Mary from enjoying her mansion with their problems.

Kirinwa:


Hahaha you must be deluded. No wonder some say religion is opium of the people.

Last bullet : Mary if in heaven is probably worshipping God and doesn't get una time.

dmandy:


And she is complaining to u.

Jeromejnr:


Hehe. You've not answered any of my questions. And I want to throw one more.

Please how do you know she has become Omniscient like God and is able to handle millions of requests from earth all at the same time?

I am still waiting.

dmandy:


I will show u when u start reading the bible with
open mind and stop attacking what u don't
understand. And acknowledge the Church through
whom you got the bible and the Woman through
whom Christ was born.
When you are ready to do the above, I will walk
you through the bible and you will see for yourself
that u have received a lot of souls.

Jeromejnr:


Bro, I have had an open mindsince Saturday. And still no one has told me anything.

Okay I give you an open mind now. Enlighten me. So I can also join the train of praying to Mary.

Jeromejnr:


I am still waiting for scriptures. And please, try not to embarass yourself.

dmandy:


Well I honestly don't know what u mean... what might seem embarrassing to u might not necessarily be to me.

The truth of the matter is praying to Mary and the saints is in the bible. Being omnipresent or omniscience is not necessarily for them to hear us even though ai don't think it's something too difficult for God to do.

However, by the power of God who is also omnipotent(all powerful) they can do all things through Christ in whom they died and who saved them.

Jeromejnr:

Okay, so its all an assumption?