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An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Lagusta(m): 9:15am On Aug 21, 2016
Editor’s note: The excellent research below, by Mr. Islam Al-Buhairy, provides historic evidence for the correct age of Aisha when she married Prophet Muhammad. The research exposes the narration that claims her age to have been 9 years old at the time of marriage.
Below is an edited translation of the original research which was published in the Egyptian “Yawm Al-Sabai (The Seventh day)” magazine on the 16th of October 2008.
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The marriage of the Prophet to Aisha when
she was a girl of 9 years - A BLATANT LIE!

By: Islam Buhairy

The biography and specified dates contained in the reference books provide an important response to the hadith’ of Bukhari and confirms that the daughter of Abu Bakr married the Prophet when she was eighteen year old.
It is due to such matters that Islam receives many stabs! It is from these disputable subjects that our beloved Prophet becomes the subject of many fabrications and accusations related to his wives and his relationships with women. Numerous stories about his marriages and dealings with women contain historical inaccuracies and lack of precision in connection with the narrations.
These are then exploited by many to attack Islam and discredit the beloved Messenger. Yet, the voices of our scholars remain silent despite their acquisition of factual replies and they restrict their efforts in belittling the critics and shedding doubt over their true intentions! Then, when the sensible voices attempt to defend the Prophet peace be upon him by showing the inaccuracies in many narrations that are the core of the attack on Islam, like the story of the marriage of Prophet PBUH to Aisha when she was nine years old, they are faced with the insurmountable obstacle of ascribing sanctity to the old jurisprudence curriculums and claims the books of Bukhari and Muslim to be infallible! As a result, all diligent attempts to correct these narrations, even when they are the subject of doubt, are rejected on grounds that all attempts of innovation, addition, omission, commentary or criticism are totally rejected!

Due to this logic, our scholars remain silent in the face of waves of attacks on Islam and its Messenger. One of the most widely circulated is the case of the narration in Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet PBUH while in his fifties married Aisha at the age of six and started having sexual intercourse with her when she was nine years old! This story has attained full immunity from criticism simply because it was narrated in Bukhari and Muslim, even though it contradicts everything there is to contradict! It contradicts the Quran, the authentic sunna, reason, logic, customs and the timeline for the events of the Prophet's mission.

Based on the principle historical and biography of the Prophet’s mission such as (Alcaml- History of Damascus - History of Al-Tabari - The beginning and the end - The history of Baghdad, and many others), they all agree on the chronological order of events during the Prophet's mission as follows:

According to these references, the mission of the Prophet started In Mecca where is continued for (13) years, after which it continued for (10) years in Medina. The start of the mission was in the year (610 AD) and the migration to Medina was in (623 AD). The Prophet died in the year (633 AD) which was (10) years after he migrated to Medina. It is also agreed that the Prophet married Aisha (3) years before his migration to Medina which was in the year (620 AD). This was the (10) year after the start of the revelation when Aisha was (6) years old, then he started having sexual intercourse with her after 3 years and few months, which was at the end of the year (623 AD) when she was (9) years old. This implies that she was born in the year (614 AD) which was the (4th ) year of the revelation according to Bukhari. This is a great fallacy.

Historical criticism of the narration:

1- Historical accounts: All historical references state that Asmaa (sister of Aisha) was (10) years older than her sister Aisha. The same references agree unanimously that Asmaa was born (27) years before the migration to Medina. This means that Asmaa was 14 years old at the start of the revelation in (610) and Aisha was 4 years old. This means that Aisha was born in the year (606 AD).
We have seen that the Prophet married Aisha in the year (620 AD), which would make her (14) years at the time. It is also stated that the Prophet started having sexual intercourse 3 years and few months after the marriage which would be the end of the (1st) year after Hijrah and the beginning of the (2nd) year, which was the year (624 AD). If Aisha was born in the year (606 AD), then she would have been (18) years old when she started a full marital life with the Prophet.

2- The age of Aisha in relation to the death of her sister Asmaa: The same references unanimously confirm that Asmaa died after a well documented incident which was the death of her son (Abdullah bin Al-Zubair) by the hand of the famous tyrant Al-Hajjaj. This happened in the year 73 Hijri when she was 100 years old. If we subtract 73 from 100 we would know that Asmaa was 27 years old at the time of the Prophet’s migration to Medina which was start of the Hijri Calendar. Since Asmaa was 10 years older than Aisha, this makes Aisha 17 years old at the time of the migration. And since the Prophet started a full marital wife with Aisha at the end of the first year after Hijrah, then the age of Aisha would have been 17 + 1 = 18 years old when she was married.

This is also confirmed by (Al-Tabari) who asserts in his book (The History of Nations) that all the children of (Abu Bakr) were born in the days of the Jahilliyyah (the days before the revelation). This is consistent with the correct chronology and exposes the dubious nature of the narration in Bukhari. Aisha was indeed born in the fourth year before the start of the prophetic mission.

Criticism of the narration found in the books of hadith and biography:

1- It was reported by (Ibn Kathir) in (The Beginning and the End) regarding the ones who were the early believers “Out of the women ... Asmaa and Aisha who was a young girl. These believed in the years when the prophet was preaching secretly for fear of persecution.” This indicates that Aisha believed before the Prophet proclaimed the message in the open, which was in the 4th year of the revelation (614). This would refute the narration of Bukhari which states that Aisha was born in the 4th year of the revelation! Based on the account of Ibn Kathir, Aisha was born in the year 606 and was therefore 8 years old in the 4th year after the revelation, which fits with the chronological line of events.

2- It was reported by Bukhari himself that Aisha said, “I have not known my parents except as believers. No day would pass without the messenger of God coming to us day and evening, then when the Muslims were afflicted Abu Bakr emigrated to Abyssinia.”

It is agreed among historians that the migration of Abu-Bakr to Abyssinia was in the 5th year of revelation. According to Bukhari, Aisha would have been only one year old in the 5th year of revelation. If Aisha was born in the 4th year of revelation, this would make her only 1 year old when her father emigrated, but she was aware of the visits of the Prophet to their home, which was before the 5th year, which means that when she said these words she must have been at an age to comprehend such events and not one year old.

3- The following is reported in the book (Aisha) by Imam Ahmad, «When Khadijah died, Khawla daughter of Hakim and wife of Othman bin Mathoun said: ‘O Messenger of God, will you not get married?’ He said, ‘Who to marry?’ She said, ‘If you wish you can have either a virgin or a non virgin.’ He said, ‘Who is the virgin?’ She said, ‘The one who is the dearest to you of all God’s creation, Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr.’

From this dialogue it is obvious that Khawla was putting forward to the Prophet the option of marrying either one of two women who were of an age suitable for marriage, and not a child who is not yet ready for marriage. It is inconceivable that she was proposing to the Prophet a child of 6 years old for marriage. In addition, if she was proposing a child of 6 years old, would she need to describe her as a virgin, are not all 6 year old girls virgins?

4- It was also reported by Imam Ahmad that Aisha used to be engaged to Jubair Bin Mutyim who was the son of Al-Mutyim Bin Udai who was a disbeliever.
Abu Bakr, father of Aisha, would not have agreed to this engagement after the start of the revelation since this family were disbelievers.

This proves that Aisha was born before the revelation, and that Abu Bakr would not have seen much wrong in giving a promise of engagement of his daughter to a disbelieving man since at the time before the revelation all people (including Abu Bakr) were following the pagan traditions of Arabia.
After the start of the revelation, Abu Bakr, who was a man of his word, wanted to be absolved from his word, and he was able to do so without breaking his word as the decision to break up the engagement came from the other party.

5- It is narrated in the collection of Bukhari that Aisha said, ‘The following was revealed to Muhammad in Mecca while I was a child playing “Indeed, the Hour is their appointed time and the Hour is more disastrous and bitter.” It is unanimously agreed that Sura Al-Qamar, where we read these words, was revealed 4 years after the start of the revelation, which was the year 614. If we accept the false claim that Aisha was born in the year 614, it would mean that Aisha said the above words either before she was born or when she a newly born!
But according to the words of Aisha above, she was a child playing when this Sura was revealed in the year 614. In contrast, the correct account of Aisha’s date of birth of 606, would make her 8 years old when she said the above words, which fits in with the words “I was a child playing.”

6- It was also narrated in the collection of Bukhari that the Messenger of God said, ‘No virgin is to be wed without obtaining her consent.’ They said, ‘And how is her consent affirmed?’ He replied, ‘If she is silent.’ The question here is: How could the honourable Messenger say one thing yet do the opposite? This is relevant considering that according to the other hadith by Bukhari he quotes Aisha saying that she was playing with dolls among the other girls and that no one asked her consent and permission to be married to the Prophet! Realistically speaking, how is it possible to ask a child about marriage when she does not understand the meaning of marriage in the first place! Even her approval at such an age would not be deemed legitimate since it would have been an approval without a guardian or adult.

Criticism of the chain of narrators in the hadith of Aisha’s age at marriage:

We find 5 chains of narrations of this hadith in Bukhari. Each account lists a chain of narrators ending with Aisha saying what was attributed to her. The interesting observation here is that we find one name repeated in all 5 narrations. This is the name (Hisham), and in this man rests the problem. The credibility of this man is suspect especially after he went to Iraq where his narrations of hadith became quite inconsistent and irregular.

As for the endeavour of scholars and hadith narrators, the first of which is Bukhari, to formulate such imaginary laws for the marriage of female minors, it was indeed a black page of the heritage pages. It is strange to find the Wahabi’s promoting such sick rules and justifying their outrageous claim by saying that in hot countries girls reach puberty at an early age!

Needless to say, these are the words of idiots and fools for the simple fact that the temperature in Saudi Arabia is still as hot as it were, and some researches make it much hotter today than it was 14 centuries ago, yet we do not see girls reaching puberty at such low ages in hot or cold countries!

Conclusion:

The correct of Aisha when she married the Prophet was 18 years old and not 9 years old. The narration reported by Bukhari is simply a corrupt one. It violates the law of God, common sense, tradition and culture, and even other hadith! It also contradicts the chronological order of the events during the Prophetic mission. It is thus inconceivable and unjustified to elevate the words of Bukhari above the integrity of the beloved Messenger!
Islam is not to be monopolised by the early scholars and hadith narrators, nor related to their time only. It is our right and duty to evaluate their findings and criticise and also reject much of their findings which are found to be fabricated delusions! At the end of th.e day, these works arhfxxe no more than human efforts and should never be granted....


This article shows that there are lessons to be learned here, the most important being that we must always have deep knowledge of matters concerning the Deen before posting all sorts on social media....

Corrections are as shown below, thanks to demmzy15 and lexiconkabir...

Jazaakumullah khairan to all of you....

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Dullahi(m): 10:05am On Aug 21, 2016
Jazakallahu khayran for posting this research

Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by snezBaba: 10:56am On Aug 21, 2016
The misleaded ones won't even bother to read that before spewing thrash.Just wait and see.
Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 10:58am On Aug 21, 2016
Op, i'll seriously advice you to be careful about what you read from the internet, some of these articles are aimed at misguiding unsuspecting muslims, these "sheikhs" have dodgy aqeedah, beware!

meanwhile i will be back to this thread insha Allaah, salaam alaykum.....

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 10:58am On Aug 21, 2016
double posts
Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 11:48am On Aug 21, 2016
The biography and specified dates contained in the reference books provide an important response to the hadith’ of Bukhari and confirms that the daughter of Abu Bakr married the Prophet when she was eighteen year old.

No doubts, this a great fallacy as we shall soon see, insha Allaah

It is due to such matters that Islam receives many stabs! It is from these disputable subjects that our beloved Prophet becomes the subject of many fabrications and accusations related to his wives and his relationships with women. Numerous stories about his marriages and dealings with women contain historical inaccuracies and lack of precision in connection with the narrations.

oh! this is the main thing that inspired this article, because of what the haters of islam thinks, really? do you practice islam for them?

These are then exploited by many to attack Islam and discredit the beloved Messenger. Yet, the voices of our scholars remain silent despite their acquisition of factual replies and they restrict their efforts in belittling the critics and shedding doubt over their true intentions! Then, when the sensible voices attempt to defend the Prophet peace be upon him by showing the inaccuracies in many narrations that are the core of the attack on Islam, like the story of the marriage of Prophet PBUH to Aisha when she was nine years old, they are faced with the insurmountable obstacle of ascribing sanctity to the old jurisprudence curriculums and claims the books of Bukhari and Muslim to be infallible!

Well, our scholars arent insensible like this statement tries to portray "when the sensible voices attempt to defend the Prophet peace be upon him", they dont say things that are not factual, when they dont know, they dont say, instead they say Allaah knows best, unlike the author of this article who is saying what he has no knowledge about.

As a result, all diligent attempts to correct these narrations, even when they are the subject of doubt, are rejected on grounds that all attempts of innovation, addition, omission, commentary or criticism are totally rejected!

This is because they are not valid.

Due to this logic, our scholars remain silent in the face of waves of attacks on Islam and its Messenger. One of the most widely circulated is the case of the narration in Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet PBUH while in his fifties married Aisha at the age of six and started having sexual intercourse with her when she was nine years old!

This information is correct, has always been, and continuosly be correct, if the kuffar likes it or not, its not our business.

This story has attained full immunity from criticism simply because it was narrated in Bukhari and Muslim, even though it contradicts everything there is to contradict! It contradicts the Quran, the authentic sunna, reason, logic, customs and the timeline for the events of the Prophet's mission.

really its contradicts the Quran? authentic sunnah? which authentic sunnah and where can this authentic sunnah be found? is not this same books you are trying to condemn? we have so many authentic Ahadith that shows that Aisha was truly 6years when she married our noble prophet, yet you say it contradicts the authentic sunnah? subhanallaah!


According to these references, the mission of the Prophet started In Mecca where is continued for (13) years, after which it continued for (10) years in Medina. The start of the mission was in the year (610 AD) and the migration to Medina was in (623 AD). The Prophet died in the year (633 AD) which was (10) years after he migrated to Medina. It is also agreed that the Prophet married Aisha (3) years before his migration to Medina which was in the year (620 AD). This was the (10) year after the start of the revelation when Aisha was (6) years old, then he started having sexual intercourse with her after 3 years and few months, which was at the end of the year (623 AD) when she was (9) years old. This implies that she was born in the year (614 AD) which was the (4th ) year of the revelation according to Bukhari. This is a great fallacy.

Nice story grin

Historical criticism of the narration:

1- Historical accounts: All historical references state that Asmaa (sister of Aisha) was (10) years older than her sister Aisha. The same references agree unanimously that Asmaa was born (27) years before the migration to Medina. This means that Asmaa was 14 years old at the start of the revelation in (610) and Aisha was 4 years old. This means that Aisha was born in the year (606 AD).
We have seen that the Prophet married Aisha in the year (620 AD), which would make her (14) years at the time. It is also stated that the Prophet started having sexual intercourse 3 years and few months after the marriage which would be the end of the (1st) year after Hijrah and the beginning of the (2nd) year, which was the year (624 AD). If Aisha was born in the year (606 AD), then she would have been (18) years old when she started a full marital life with the Prophet.

I dont know which historical account the author means, but the one I know Siyar A‘laam an-Nubala written by Adh-Dhahabi, if you check page 522 you'll see this statement;

"Asma’ was more than ten years older than ‘Aisha.”

The Arabic phrase translated here as "more than ten" may refer to any number between thirteen and twenty, so this alone has crushed the whole article, infact if i stop here, it is sufficient enough, but i'll continue.

2- The age of Aisha in relation to the death of her sister Asmaa: The same references unanimously confirm that Asmaa died after a well documented incident which was the death of her son (Abdullah bin Al-Zubair) by the hand of the famous tyrant Al-Hajjaj. This happened in the year 73 Hijri when she was 100 years old. If we subtract 73 from 100 we would know that Asmaa was 27 years old at the time of the Prophet’s migration to Medina which was start of the Hijri Calendar. Since Asmaa was 10 years older than Aisha, this makes Aisha 17 years old at the time of the migration. And since the Prophet started a full marital wife with Aisha at the end of the first year after Hijrah, then the age of Aisha would have been 17 + 1 = 18 years old when she was married.

This is also confirmed by (Al-Tabari) who asserts in his book (The History of Nations) that all the children of (Abu Bakr) were born in the days of the Jahilliyyah (the days before the revelation). This is consistent with the correct chronology and exposes the dubious nature of the narration in Bukhari. Aisha was indeed born in the fourth year before the start of the prophetic mission.

unfortunately, all these calculations has been rendered useless, if you like use cauchy-euler method of solving differential equation to solve the age of 'Aisha, it will amount to nonsense because, the very foundation that claim was based on has been crushed! perhaps i should remind you of what crushed it, Adh-Dhahabi said in his profound book that;

"Asma’ was more than ten years older than ‘Aisha.”

To be continued

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Demmzy15(m): 1:06pm On Aug 21, 2016
Salam Alaikum Akhee Lagusta, since brother AbdulKabeer has dealt with post to point 3,I'll continue from there. Before I start, I'll need to clarify something:

#Islam is a principled religion, you don't do things based on the perception or reactions of others.

#The issue of young marriages is a common norm in Christianity, Judaism and many other religions. In fact I and some brothers debated them(non-Muslims) on this issue and none of them was able to refute the points given.

#I know you're trying to clear a misconception about Islam, that is very nice but you need to read and research from both sides, compare and contrast before you make any conclusion. If you're a science student, you'll get a clearer picture of what I mean!

So I proceed, your posts are in quotes:

It was also reported by Imam Ahmad that Aisha used to be engaged to Jubair Bin Mutyim who was the son of Al-Mutyim Bin Udai who was a disbeliever.
Abu Bakr, father of Aisha, would not have agreed to this engagement after the start of the revelation since this family were disbelievers.

Where did you get interpretation @underlined, the first revelation was in 610CE and Aisha(ra) was born in 613CE.

Al Zarakli said: “She was born nine years before Hijrah and died in 58 AH."
Al-A’laam, 3/240

5- It is narrated in the collection of Bukhari that Aisha said, ‘The following was revealed to Muhammad in Mecca while I was a child playing “Indeed, the Hour is their appointed time and the Hour is more disastrous and bitter.” It is unanimously agreed that Sura Al-Qamar, where we read these words,

The hadith in question is this:

Narrated Yusuf bin Mahik: I was in the house of Aishah, the Mother of the Believers. She said, "This revelation: "Nay, but the Hour is their appointed time (for their full recompense); and the Hour will be more previous and most bitter." (54.46) was revealed to Muhammad (SAW) at Makkah while I was a playful little girl (Jaariyah)."

According to this unambiguous ahadith, she witnessed the revelation of one of the ayaats while she was in Makkah. There's nowhere the ahadith pointed to her witnessing the whole revelation of the Surah.

As for this assertion of yours, I need evidence to back it up when Surah Al Qamar was revealed:
It is unanimously agreed that Sura Al-Qamar, where we read these words, was revealed 4 years after the start of the revelation, which was the year 614

I agreed with your point 6, but there's a problem halfway. You stated:

This is relevant considering that according to the other hadith by Bukhari he quotes Aisha saying that she was playing with dolls among the other girls and that no one asked her consent and permission to be married to the Prophet! Realistically speaking, how is it possible to ask a child about marriage when she does not understand the meaning of marriage in the first place! Even her approval at such an age would not be deemed legitimate since it would have been an approval without a guardian or adult.

Firstly, as I said earlier, young marriages was a common norm in the older society. The problem is that you're using our standards of today to determine who a child is for a society of 1400years ago. Lemme give you an example, many years back during warfare, all men were killed regardless of whether you fought or not. But today we have standard armies, it's forbidden to kill civilian men, women and children, so as Muslims we're to adjust.

Secondly, @underlined, Aisha lived with the Prophet(saw) and He(saw) died in her arms. If she didn't want the Prophet, would she not have divorced him? She was 18years when the Prophet(saw) and you think she wasn't satisfied with the marriage for good 9years? Common be smart na!

Insha'Allah, I'll continue with the "criticism of the hadith" later!

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 2:08pm On Aug 21, 2016
Criticism of the narration found in the books of hadith and biography:

1- It was reported by (Ibn Kathir) in (The Beginning and the End) regarding the ones who were the early believers “Out of the women ... Asmaa and Aisha who was a young girl. These believed in the years when the prophet was preaching secretly for fear of persecution.” This indicates that Aisha believed before the Prophet proclaimed the message in the open, which was in the 4th year of the revelation (614). This would refute the narration of Bukhari which states that Aisha was born in the 4th year of the revelation! Based on the account of Ibn Kathir, [s]Aisha was born in the year 606 and was therefore 8 years old in the 4th year after the revelation, which fits with the chronological line of events[/s].

Well, i dont know the ibn katheer the author read, but the one i have with me says;

"The first free man to believe was Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq; the first child was ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib; and the first woman was Khadeejah bint Khuwaylid".

He did not mention either Asma’ or ‘Aisha.

however if anyone can provide where ibn katheer mentions Asma or Aisha, then i will be amongst the grateful ones.


2- It was reported by Bukhari himself that Aisha said, “I have not known my parents except as believers. No day would pass without the messenger of God coming to us day and evening, then when the Muslims were afflicted Abu Bakr emigrated to Abyssinia.”

It is agreed among historians that the migration of Abu-Bakr to Abyssinia was in the 5th year of revelation. According to Bukhari, Aisha would have been only one year old in the 5th year of revelation. If Aisha was born in the 4th year of revelation, this would make her only 1 year old when her father emigrated, but she was aware of the visits of the Prophet to their home, which was before the 5th year, which means that when she said these words she must have been at an age to comprehend such events and not one year old.

This analogy is fallacious, Aisha was talking of the past not the present(as at then), as you can see she was talking in form of past tense, so before you make that claim, you have to tell us the exact date she uttered this words.

3- The following is reported in the book (Aisha) by Imam Ahmad, «When Khadijah died, Khawla daughter of Hakim and wife of Othman bin Mathoun said: ‘O Messenger of God, will you not get married?’ He said, ‘Who to marry?’ She said, ‘If you wish you can have either a virgin or a non virgin.’ He said, ‘Who is the virgin?’ She said, ‘The one who is the dearest to you of all God’s creation, Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr.’

From this dialogue it is obvious that Khawla was putting forward to the Prophet the option of marrying either one of two women who were of an age suitable for marriage, and not a child who is not yet ready for marriage. It is inconceivable that she was proposing to the Prophet a child of 6 years old for marriage. In addition, if she was proposing a child of 6 years old, would she need to describe her as a virgin, are not all 6 year old girls virgins?

Now this brings us to the question, who was considered a woman at that era, Muhammad consumating his marriage with Aisha at age 9 isnt a strange thing in that era, Aisha herself said this in tirmidhi: "When a girl reaches the age of nine years, she is a woman." {Sunan at-Tirmidhi 409}

Imam ash-Shaafa‘i said: In Yemen I saw many girls aged nine who had reached puberty.{Siyar A‘laam an-Nubala’ page 91}

Al-Bayhaqi tells us that imam Ash-shaafa'i also said:

Ash-Shaafa‘i also said: In San‘aa’ I saw a grandmother who was twenty-one years old; she reached puberty at the age of nine and gave birth at the age of ten, and her daughter reached puberty at the age of nine and gave birth at the age of ten.{As-Sunan al-Kubra by al-Bayhaqi 319}

so you have brought forth a weak argument, infact it is weaker than cobwebs.

I think i would stop here, this should be enough to refute the article as other points tries to build on the already refuted points, however i will like to let you know that the age of aisha being 6years when she got married to the prophet is a scholarly consensus, weve not seen a single scholar that denied these facts, and as we know, scholarly consensus is protected from error, because the ummah cannot agree on misguidance. At-Tirmidhi (2167) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Allah will not cause my ummah to agree on misguidance.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami‘(1848)

salaam alaykum

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 2:10pm On Aug 21, 2016
Demmzy15:
Lemme book space, I need to analyze some of the points of the Op!

oh great brother! pls do.
Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Lagusta(m): 2:20pm On Aug 21, 2016
Jazaakumullah khairan @lexiconkabir for your insight into this matter

@demmzy15 please yours is highly needed here too....

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 2:43pm On Aug 21, 2016
Lagusta:
Jazaakumullah khairan @lexiconkabir for your insight into this matter

@demmzy15 please yours is highly needed here too....

But really, you didnt have to mention s.eun or where you trying to prove to him that Aisha wasnt 9?

Also i suggest you change the title of the thread.

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 2:45pm On Aug 21, 2016
lexiconkabir:


But really, you didnt have to mention s.eun or where you trying to prove to him that Aisha wasnt 9?

I noticed that too but didn't know the intention behind it. So gave him the benefit of doubt.
Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 7:48pm On Aug 21, 2016
Now this is directed to Muslims that always try to be apologetic to non-Muslims, the kuffar will talk as that is what they can only do, they will keep taunting Muslims no matter how apologetic you are, they will not stop until they see that you follow their path of misguidance, Allaah says;

[b]“O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitaanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand.

Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e. you believe in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), while they disbelieve in your Book, the Qur’aan]. And when they meet you, they say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish in your rage. Certainly, Allaah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).’

If a good befalls you, it grieves them, but if some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it. But if you remain patient and become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious — See V.2:2), not the least harm will their cunning do to you. Surely, Allaah surrounds all that they do”[Aal ‘Imraan 3:118-120][/b]

See something important Allaah says here;

Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad pbuh) till you follow their religion. Say: ‘Verily, the Guidance of Allaah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance.’ And if you (O Muhammad pbuh) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur’aan), then you would have against Allaah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper”[al-Baqarah 2:120]

So, are we saying to the disvelievers that guidance is from Allaah alone or we are dancing to their tunes?

Muhammad pbuh said shaytan(curse of Allaah be upon him) has lost hope on this ummah with regards to following him in major things, so we should be vigilant and not follow him in small things, don't you know doubting the authentic hadith of the prophet makes you a prisoner to shaytan? I.e youve followed him in something small that can destroy your islam, Allaah says in the Quran that the knowledgeable ones are those who say "we believe in all, both clear and unclear", beware brothers and sisters, beware!

Salaam alaykum.

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Lagusta(m): 7:56pm On Aug 21, 2016
lexiconkabir:


But really, you didnt have to mention s.eun or where you trying to prove to him that Aisha wasnt 9?

Also i suggest you change the title of the thread.

I mentioned him so that by putting it on home page, other Muslim nairalanders would read through and post corrections if need be....

We are all here to learn dearest brother.......
Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 8:00pm On Aug 21, 2016
Lagusta:


I mentioned him so that by putting it on home page, other Muslim nairalanders would read through and post corrections if need be....

We are all here to learn dearest brother.......

Ok, i hope you've gotten the necessary answers, i still suggest you change the title of the thread, a suggestion i said.

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Lagusta(m): 8:11pm On Aug 21, 2016
lexiconkabir:


Ok, i hope you've gotten the necessary answers, i still suggest you change the title of the thread, a suggestion i said.

I will do that immediately sir......
Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Nobody: 8:17pm On Aug 21, 2016
Lagusta:


I will do that immediately sir......

JazakAllaah brother, hope I'm not too harsh sha? grin

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Lagusta(m): 8:20pm On Aug 21, 2016
lexiconkabir:


JazakAllaah brother, hope I'm not too harsh sha? grin

It is an obligation on a Muslim to correct his brother when he sees that the brother is straying from the path, no matter how harsh he may be....

No be say u slap me nah.... cheesy

Once again, jazaakumullah khairan......

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Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Demmzy15(m): 2:53am On Aug 22, 2016
Lagusta:


It is an obligation on a Muslim to correct his brother when he sees that the brother is straying from the path, no matter how harsh he may be....

No be say u slap me nah.... cheesy

Once again, jazaakumullah khairan......
That's very nice bro, I'll post the last part later in the day.
Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Smellymouth: 7:56pm On Aug 22, 2016
Alhamdulillah cool
Re: An Article That shows that we must always have in-depth knowledge of the Deen... by Yustash001(m): 12:00pm On Aug 23, 2016
May Allah guide us to the right path

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