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Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 11:42pm On Sep 12, 2006
Isn't it Ironic how you claim Christianity and the Bible is all fraud and then get all sissy when the Koran and Mohammed is passed through a magnifying glass.

I would not have cared a nickel what you believed in if Sept 11 did not happen.
People have a right to know about the lifestyle and teachings of Mohammed if it is so embarassing to you that the terrorists who hold the Koran as their ultimate standard are only following the footsteps of your prophet I will only say ndo which is sorry in Igbo.
It may be time you looked more critically at the man you choose to reverence.

Mohammed will only be in heaven if he denounced evil and repented genuinely and surrendered to Christ before the poisoned lamb dinner took it's toll on him.
No amount of 'saw' and 'was' behind his name will elevate him from hell to heaven.

A point of correction,I have never attacked anyone personally.
It is unnecessary.
My response always follows an earlier comment and I will not let you or anyone intimidate me for I fear God only.
I fear no man.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 1:27am On Sep 13, 2006
My rejection of Islam is not based on the bad deeds of the Muslims but on the bad teachings of its holy book and on the bad deeds of its founder. Many cruelties and heinous acts of violence, perpetrated by Muslims throughout the centuries were inspired by the Quran and the Sunnah (the examples of the prophet). That is why I condemn ISLAM for the bad things that Muslims do. Any effort to humanize Islam is a waste of time. The obstacle to any reform is Quran. The enemy is Islam and that is the target of my attacks. I do that, despite knowing that I have become the magnet of the hatred of fanatical Muslims and my own life could be in danger. Yet I know that by eradicating Islam we can save the world from the dangers of a catastrophe that otherwise is looming over our heads and could cause more disaster than the 1st and 2nd World Wars combined. Eradication of Islam means restoring peace among humanity and civility, democracy and prosperity in the Muslim world.

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Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 11:21am On Sep 13, 2006
If you think that you have a magnifying glass to put islam through, for sure, you have failed. Over the centuaries, there are people and groups like you, they are already gone and islam is here. Fortunately, jesus and muhammad are from the same clothe. Hence, when you talk badly about one, you have spoken badly about the other.

Isn't it shameful, that you an African Woman, whose forebearers The Europeans have Used The Bible to enslave some and carted them to far away lands, and the remaining they colonized. Among the desendants of the carted Africans, Christianity changed their nature in the New World. There is hatred/divisions among them and their continental family members. On the other hand, Islam brought them together in the fold of Brotherhood.

Babyosisi, there is only those who do not see the writing on the wall, that will not know that you are a woman from your identity. Fortunately, i have women in my life, hence, I treat every woman like member of my family. i have respected you. Even though, you now call me sissy. There is nothing sissy about me. Every person who knows me will tell you my nature, I fear no king, president or royalty. So my dear nigerian sister, you wait and I wait for the decision of our Creator. In the day of Judgement we will find out our fates. For sure, you as a christian and me as amuslim will not have the same abode thereby, God willing. That is if you continue in this path of yours. I remind you that even a worse enemy of islam and the Messenger (AS) have turned about face and became a leadre of Islam, Ibn khattab was the man. When the catholic were oppressing the Coptic christians, the coptic in Egypt wrote to him as the Amir of the fledging nation in madina. The Muslims came to the aids of the Coptics. This was how islam entered Egypt. Yet, no one was killed and no one was forced to convert. Among the igbo people who accepted islam, no one was forced to accept islam, yet. Islam is a freely chosen way of life.

I wonder why you believe along with those who believe like you, realising that christianity is a foreign religion to Black people, none of you ever research how the bible was compiled, the ever updatedness of it and the so many varieties of it. Unlike Islam, the companions of muhammad had in its ranks, Arabs, romans, Asians, Africans and others to include men and women, young and old. the Qur'an was completed in the lifetime of Muhammad (AS). Remember it was him alone the revelation came down to. Even his own speech and deeds were separated and cataloged to what is known as hadith and Sunnah.

About 911 you need to Google, then type 911 in the search and click on the video. I was told that CNN even played part of it last night.

You should pray to God to forgive you your sins. I ask God to forgive me mine.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by TayoD(m): 1:25pm On Sep 13, 2006
@olabowale,

Keep your ognorant opinion about the Bible to yourself. You claim the Bible is corrupted. Why don't you provide the original one? It is so convenient to level an accusation that has no backing whatsoecer.

So isn't Islam foreign to the blacks? For your information, the Bible does not promote slavery. Rather, I see your prophet as the one who thinks Arabs are the best of people and who owned and encouraged slavery during his days. He had no high regard for blacks and said your intercession will not be received. You are blindly following an arab nationalist who wants you to talk like Arbs, visit his country for their economic development, dres like them and follow their own laws. How African are you believing and folowing those practices?

Ishaq:243 "I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom."

[9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'"

Ishaq:144 “A rock was put on a slave’s chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, ‘You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.’ I will do so,’ said Bakr. ‘I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out.”

Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger.”

Tabari II:11 “Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.”

Tabari II:21 “Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.”

Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah’s Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us.”

Bukhari: V9B89N256 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he is a black African slave whose head looks like a raisin.’”
Ishaq:450 “It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.

Ishaq:374 “The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.’”

Bukhari:V4B52N137 “The Prophet said, ‘Let the negro slave of Dinar perish. And if he is pierced with a thorn, let him not find anyone to take it out for him, If he [the black slave] asks for anything it shall not be granted, and if he needs intercession [to get into paradise], his intercession will be denied.”
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 6:55pm On Sep 13, 2006
@TayoD: It is you who is Ignorant. Unless you are not a Yoruba and you do not know the History of the Yorubas. I am a Yoruba, through and through, hence the origin of the yorubas is traced to the Arab penisula.

Further, the lineage of muhammad (AS) with Ibrahiim (AS) is through an African Black Egyptian.

You and your kind should go to your family elders and learn about the History of your tribes. You as a Kafr, lack the knowledge of Qur'an and hadith, hence you are completely ignorant of the science of both sources of Islamic jurispudence. In view of this, i do not want to respond to you, until you learn the methodology of Fiqh of Qur'an and hadith.

As an Ijebu man i know where my blood-line is from. Who is unjust excepect the one who hates because we said 'Our Lord is One and we worship none but He'.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by TayoD(m): 7:21pm On Sep 13, 2006
I assume your dodging the issues raised is just a tacit approval of your ignorance of the subjects.

You are a shame to the Ijebus to imply that you descend from the Arabs. And if you claim that you are rightly a muslim because you descend from the Arabs, are you now saying your idea of the God that exists is one who is racially blind? If the Europeans and Africans are not Arab descendants, so why are you and you ilk bent on converting them to your dark religion?

You are just digging your grave deeper. In any case, the bottom line is that your muderous, rapist and pedophilic prophet was and is not worthy of mention in the holy scriptures called the Bible.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 9:54pm On Sep 13, 2006
@TayoD: I know its all about me. Thats okay. As stated, if you are a yoruba man, you should have known the history of the Yorubas. it shows, from your ignorance that you do not know your own history.

Further, i had explained to you and your kind in many entries that I had made, amongst the companions of The Noble prophet (AS), there were blavk men and women. Bilal ibn rabah , the caller to prayer (RA) was a notable man amongst the men around the noble prophet. Muhammad's wet nurse was a black woman. You see people like you are not worth my response.

The lies you have spewd and your dishonesty, all of these, I ask God the Almighty to open your eyes. If you choose to be blind, then your case is with Allah, your Creator and mine.

I am aware of my heritage, but are you of yours. maybe, as advised that you should ask your elders.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 10:13pm On Sep 13, 2006
@TayoD: Why don't you ask your Jewish people whose religion is ethnical. You can be a Jew by religion except you are by blood. Sammy Davies Jr. converted, he was never accepted. Even as he tried so much to cooed up to the president of America, Nixon, he was given the cold shoulder.

In Islam, standing beside each other, shoulder to shoulder will be Wealthy, the poor, young and old. I know. This is my life. You, a man who does not know the history of his people, shame on you.

Moreover, you and your kind do not know the history of protestant sects of the christiandom. Your Bible is lifted from the catholic Bible, yet missing several book. This you call original book, wors of God!?

I wonder if you know what it really means to say something is original. Oh, you do not have any inkling what it means to say something is from God. It means it has to remain in the text that it is revealed in. That is why Qur'an in Arabic is what is known as Qur'an. No one will say that the translations are Qur'an. You can only rtecite Qur'an in Arabic.

Anyway, you do not know. It is not your fault. Your ignorance about your own tribal history is very glaring. How then do I expect you to know any thing about islam.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 11:27pm On Sep 13, 2006
@TayoD: Shame on you for abandoning the religion of Ibrahiim (AS), known as the father of faith. Shame on you that you abandoned the religion of Ismail, Isiaq, Yaquub, Yusuf, Musa, Haruun, and others like Zakariya, Yahya and Isa ibn mariam. Shame on you that you abandoned these holy men of God and you followed Saul/Paul who have deceived you. Shame on you that you do not know the history of your people in yoruba land. Unless you are not a Yoruba. Even my children who are born in America know their origin.

You choose a religion that is unfamiliar to Jesus (AS), to others who were his companions. You should be ashamedof your self, abandoning your Creator and performing a worship to a creation, who did not command you to do so. That creation knew that he was commanded to adjoin the worship of his Lord and Lord of all to his people, the children of israel. Are you from the children of Israel, if you speak the truth.

You will have to answer to God in the day of judgement if you die in this misguidance, the wrong path you are on right now. Shame on you for you are reminded of your Lord, His worship, yet you are deaf to the reminder.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 12:31am On Sep 14, 2006
@Tayo D.
You remember in an earlier post I said that it only takes a little while for them to shed their "peaceful"nature and we see the real man hidden underneath.

Islam cannot save or change even the soul of a dog talk less of a human
There is no good in it.
It is all murder,rape,intimidation,greed and more rape.
See the problem they've caused the world today.

Muhammad was no good and will never be any good to any man dead or alive.

Olabowole will return to tell you that you quoted some weak hadiths.
wherever MO was politically incorrect is a weak hadith.

Muhammad says he is like satan,a raisin head,doomed for hell and like a sheep they ignore all his hatred.
How brainwashed can one be.

I ask all the Northern Christians to be patient,after the muslims have chopped off their(the muslims) arms and legs in sharia for stealing chickens we'll see which fingers they'll use to wield a machete to attack us.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 12:39am On Sep 14, 2006
olabowale:

@TayoD: Shame on you for abandoning the religion of Ibrahiim (AS), known as the father of faith. Shame on you that you abandoned the religion of Ismail, Isiaq, Yaquub, Yusuf, Musa, Haruun, and others like Zakariya, Yahya and Isa ibn mariam. Shame on you that you abandoned these holy men of God and you followed Saul/Paul who have deceived you. Shame on you that you do not know the history of your people in yoruba land. Unless you are not a Yoruba. Even my children who are born in America know their origin.

You choose a religion that is unfamiliar to Jesus (AS), to others who were his companions. You should be ashamedof your self, abandoning your Creator and performing a worship to a creation, who did not command you to do so. That creation knew that he was commanded to adjoin the worship of his Lord and Lord of all to his people, the children of israel. Are you from the children of Israel, if you speak the truth.

You will have to answer to God in the day of judgement if you die in this misguidance, the wrong path you are on right now. Shame on you for you are reminded of your Lord, His worship, yet you are deaf to the reminder.

If truly you believe in Zachariah and Isaiah,have you read their prophecies in the Bible about the birth,death and resurrection of Jesus in the old testament which were fulfilled about 400 years later.
Prophecies that have turned hundreds of thousands of Jews into born again Christians who now believe Christ is the messiah.

Of course you haven't that's why you display such ignorance.
They are not in the koran since allah forgot that part before throwing down the koran from the islamic paradise.
Read the books of Isaiah and zechariah in the Bible and see for yourself.
I posted the passages and their fulfillments earlier on but I guess you were so busy trying to make a point than see one.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 1:56am On Sep 14, 2006
@Babyosisis: You wait and I will wait for the Judgement of Allah (GOD), your Creator and mine. His name you arrogantly spelled with small letter. Shame on you. I wonder if you need your own Nigerian prophet. seeing that there was a prophet sent by God to all mankind. After He had sent Jesus (AS) to his kinsfolks, the Children of israel.

I am sure you are too blind, the evil in you will never allow you to see reason. there are better people among Igbo women, all over the world and in Nigeria, who God opened their eyes and heart to see His Mercy. For you, your arrogance went so far that yopu think you can put out the Light of All Merciful. Only a person whose soul is condemned to Hellfire will think so. There is Over a Billion people on the surface of the earth, presently practising this religion. here you are, a poor soul, thinking you will destroy it. Take your place in hellfire. The fire of Hell is waiting to burn an evil soul like your. You deserve it. may god Almighty grant it to you, as He granted it to Pharaoh of Moses.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 11:29am On Sep 14, 2006
@Babyosisi; I now see through the layers of the garment that you wore to camourflage as human. Your hypocracy is well exposed. If nigeria is inhabited with people like you, you will no doubt trying to divide it. No trying to secede. See, God took you out of the country and nkept you in America, with only occasional visit to your homeland.

Allah, The Almughty God is always ready to receive the repentance of His creation, a slave. You may not like the word slavery. i guess the white maqn have sold you a bill of goods. for me, i am happy to be the slave of my Creator.

You wrote about somebody getting anoid, in time. You have to read all your entries and know that you have violated the essence and the moralities of humanity. you can only push a person so far. Unlike you, in your fakery> No one has slapped your face yet, but except that you preemptly beat the person down.

You insulted my prophet and my Lord continuously. This prophet is your prophet. this Lord is your Lord. Your ignorance will not let your heart reflect. Your heart is so hard, even a stone weeps when rain falls on it.

Thank God you are out of Nigeria. There is one less evildoer, in there. Since you claim to be a doctor, you must have seen a lot of dead people, yet your heart never soften. until death comes to you and at that time it will be too late. Just like it was for Pharaoh.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by TayoD(m): 3:18pm On Sep 14, 2006
@olabowale,

If you spend more time reading through others' posts and try to research into their accsations, perhaps you'll have more to think about than trying to spit out the venom that is lodged deep inside your heart. 

While you, your prophet and allah (yes, small letter 'a') do wish to fill hell with men (according to your koran), our Lord who is indeed full of mercy says He does not desire the death of any sinner, but that all should come to repentance.

How can Mo be my prophet, and that moon god, allah be my Lord?  I hold myself to greater standard of morality than Mo was ever able to attain.  God Almighty knows better than to use a pedophile as our prophets.  But let me tell you something which will come to pass indeed, no matter how long you fight against it and deny it here on earth.  The Lord has promised and will never repent  10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Phillipians 2:10-11)

Even Mo will bow to Jesus and confess his Lordship.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 4:10pm On Sep 14, 2006
@TayoD: You wanna bow down to jesus, as an idol/object of your worship, go ahead. I will not loose any sleep over it. Unfortunately, you and your christian brothers and sisters lost all my respect/you all fell out of favor in my eyes, when you continuosly wrote your ills about my prophet (AS) and your Lord and mine.

You did not remember that the Yorubas call God, Olorun. The Ibos call Him Chineke. The Ashantis call Him something different from what the Ibos and yorubas call Him. This is the same with the Arabs. Among the Arabs you have Christians. Before you begin to insult your God and mine you should have found of the name of God in Arabic. Then you could have made some sense. But no, your hatred of Islam will not allow you to think in practicality. In all the muslims writing, no one has insulted Jesus (AS). It is not permissable for a person to be Muslim and do not belief in the birth and miracles of jesus.

Maybe you need to know that in the Qur'an, there are miracles of Jesus that you do not have in the Bible. Then in this, I ask you how can you claimed that Muhammad (AS) plagirised the Bible. When this man (AS), could not read nor write. And the Qur'an is in highest grade of Arabic language. The stories though similar, but is different from each other in details and in subject matter. Qur'an could be classified as Prose. It is as if the Bible is a yoruba spoken in Brazil and Qur'an the yoruba spoken in Yoruba land of nigeria. Are the Equal. Is it possible that the Brazilians can claim originality of the language known as Yoruba.

The christians daviated from the subject matter of pointing out or disproving the presence of Prophet Muhammad (AS) in the Bible. If you people have stayed the course, I would not have any problem with you. But what you have done was to launch wholesale attack on a beloved of God, the Angels and believers. Some of you even went so far in your confusion to say that Jesus was an Angel/Archangel. You do not know even the final position/true nature of this man (AS).

God Almighty asked in the Qur'an about jesus, 'He and his mother eat food like mortal'.

You have the ordacity to quote Phillistian to me. knowing fully well this is the handiwork of paul. Anyway, i do not want to worship Jesus and i will not worship him. There is the God Who was before Jesus was created along with all of mankind. Now that God is worthy of Worship.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by TayoD(m): 5:25pm On Sep 14, 2006
@olabowale
Then in this, I ask you how can you claimed that Muhammad (AS) plagirised the Bible. When this man  (AS), could not read nor write.
When and where did I say that Muhammad plagiarised the Bible?  Do you know the meaning of that word 'plagiarise'?  I will accept you do not know what it means, hence your wrong use of the word.  Muhammad only repeated what he heard said of the Bible and added his own version to it.  Of course we know it is false testimony, hence our refusla to accept his fraud.

Jesus is my Lord, and not your moon god, allah that mohammed has so packaged and offered to you guys as the true God.  I am not of those he will deceive.  And my prayer is not for you and your kind to burn in hell, but for your eyes to be opened that you may see the goodness of the true Lord in the land of the living (isn't that a contrast to what you and your prophet offers?)

In all the muslims writing, no one has insulted Jesus (AS). It is not permissable for a person to be Muslim and do not belief in the birth and miracles
Why do you persist in deceiving yourself?  How much more can you insult someone when you do not believe the things He claims of Himself.  You have been deceived to assume that believing in Jesus' miracles qualifies you as a follower of His faith.  What about believing His testimony such as we see here in John 14: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

So do you believe this testimony Jesus made of Himself?  Or would you consider the testimony balderdash just because He did not receive it on the lapse of a 9 year old girl as your prophet was testified to have been doing?
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 6:57pm On Sep 14, 2006
@TayoD: Go on with your bad self. I have nothing else to say to you. You have proven my point; You and your kind do not read and therefore, do not understand your own religion and definately the religion of Islam.

Go on with your way, and me mine. I do not concern myself with you. I do not know you from Adam. I have my family to concern with. I am trying to safe myself and my family from hellfire. You concern yourself with the deeds of your own soul. Quote the Bible till Sunday, I have no interest in it.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 7:13pm On Sep 14, 2006
olabowale:

@Babyosisis: You wait and I will wait for the Judgement of Allah (GOD), your Creator and mine. His name you arrogantly spelled with small letter. Shame on you. I wonder if you need your own Nigerian prophet. seeing that there was a prophet sent by God to all mankind. After He had sent Jesus (AS) to his kinsfolks, the Children of israel.

I am sure you are too blind, the evil in you will never allow you to see reason. there are better people among Igbo women, all over the world and in Nigeria, who God opened their eyes and heart to see His Mercy. For you, your arrogance went so far that yopu think you can put out the Light of All Merciful. Only a person whose soul is condemned to Hellfire will think so. There is Over a Billion people on the surface of the earth, presently practising this religion. here you are, a poor soul, thinking you will destroy it. Take your place in hellfire. The fire of Hell is waiting to burn an evil soul like your. You deserve it. may god Almighty grant it to you, as He granted it to Pharaoh of Moses.


Unlike you,I have no hatred whatsoever for you or any Muslims.
I hate no individuals and would not wish you or any one else hellfire.
Christ still stands at your heart and knocks and if you open He will come in.
Beware,when you wish evil on people,you often get what you desire for others.
A man called Haman in the Bible ended up in the gallows he dug for others.
I know your words were in ignorance and I do not hold it against you.

Islam cannot and will never save ANY MAN.
I love you so I have to be honest with you.
Someday you will remember this conversation and be grateful,a woman dared tell you the truth.
Christ only has the power to save and there s nothing anyone can do about it.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by angelval3(f): 7:22pm On Sep 14, 2006
hi,i like the way u talk lookin at u,u ve strong believe in christ.just keep it on god is on ur side.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by TayoD(m): 7:25pm On Sep 14, 2006
@olabowale,

Can you tell me how you plan to go ahead to save you and your family from hell fire?  I don't mean to mock you or make light of this desire, 'cos I believe that is the reason why Jesus came to die.  I just wonder how following Mohammed, who in his later life said he wasn't sure where allah was going to send him to, would help you escape the fires of hell.  Isn't this a case of the blind following the leadings of the blind?

Jesus' offer is still there for you to accept.  He said in Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.   At least, these words were not written by paul whom you have chosen to dismiss.  These are Jesus' words and His rest is still available for your soul.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 11:51pm On Sep 14, 2006
angel_val:

hi,i like the way u talk lookin at u,u ve strong believe in christ.just keep it on god is on your side.

God is good and anyone who has tasted of his goodness has no choice but to declare it.
I have seen things in my short years of life that have proven over and over of Gods goodness.
Jesus is Lord and daily even in core muslim countries He is revealing himself to people who have never heard him preached.
I will post a testimony next.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 12:45am On Sep 15, 2006
@tayoD,you will love this.


Testimony from a former Muslim

How can we witness to Muslims and be ready to answer most of their questions and allegations without getting tongue tied or short for answers? The answer is: Study and know your Bible, and study the Qur'an as much as you can.

In this article, I will briefly discuss allegations that state that the Bible has been tampered with and corrupted by Jews and Christians. If you are a Christian trying to evangelize and witness to Muslims, you might come across the exclamation, "[b]Has not the Holy Bible been corrupted by Christians?" Or, "Has not the Bible been replaced by the Qur'an?"

To answer this, we will go right back to the Qur'an itself. The Qur'an frequently refers to the Bible and the Christians; it states that the "Injil"--that, is the Gospel--is their light and guidance. "We bestowed on him [Jesus] the Injil wherein is guidance and light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah [the writings of Moses]--a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off evil" (5:46). Also, the Qur'an states that the Injil is guidance for all mankind: "He has revealed unto you (Mohammad) the scripture with truth, confirming that which was revealed before it, even as he revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime, for guidance to mankind" (3:3, 4).

If Mohammad was in doubt concerning the Qur'an, the Qur'an states that he was to go back to "the people of the book," another term for the Jews and the Christians: "And if you (Mohammad) are in doubt concerning that which we revealed unto you, then ask those who read the scripture before you" (10:94).

You see, not once does the Qur'an state that the Injil is corrupted. Where, then, do Muslims bring their allegations from? They basically rely on Christians' ignorance of the Qur'an and, ironically, of the Bible as well.

So, my friend, if the Injilthe Bibleis corrupted, then why does the God of Mohammad tell him to refer to it as a light and guidance to the people before him? Please be informed and prepared to represent God's word and defend his truth. For there is no other truth you want to spend your time and energy on!

Christ's peace,
--Name withheld [/b]
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by TayoD(m): 4:05pm On Sep 15, 2006
Good one there babyosisi. In other words, muslims are meant to ask us for guidance and direction when they are in doubt. I hope these guys will follow the advice of Mohammed and his koran. Here are the references again for those who wont pick up the koran to read.

010.094
YUSUFALI: If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.
PICKTHAL: And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.
SHAKIR: But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.


So what have you to say olabowale.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 4:32pm On Sep 15, 2006
I know what.
He'll return and tell you that right after allah said that,St Paul surfaced on the scene and corrupted the whole Bible then they threw out some portions and rewrote some making allah's unchanging words to be of non effect.
This allah sef!!
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 3:41pm On Sep 16, 2006
@babyosisi; I just have to tell you that, as usual you are wrong. The charade you are playing amount to apostasy. You are claiming that you know my heart. my dear babyosisi, you are weak and you cannot know my heart and most definately not God.

@TayoD; Your lack of knowledge of Islamic prose, which is the literature style of Qur'an is understood. When you read the verse that you quoted with the background knowledge that it has declared that the Bible, both old and new were already corrupted, the following will come to mind.

1) Muhammad (AS) being a man who is modest and raelly a mortal was concern about what the christians and the jews will say now that this unlettered person is bringing this bold ideas to bear. The jews and christians were before then, the only people who have received revelations and none had come to the Arabs. It was then a bold confrontatation to the Jews and the christians who knew the truth and have clear knowledge that what Muhammad was receiving is absolute truth. Yet, they still have the remnant of truth with them in oral tradition, but disregarding it for selfish reasons, hence their actions are pure injustice to God and His previous bygone prophets. Muhammad was therefore a reminder and a caller to truth for all mankind. Mankind included Jews and christians.

In view of this above, there were among Muhammad's (AS) followers, Jews in Abdalsalaam who died in one of the wars and Salman Alfarsi, who travelled all the way from Turkey, Shuaib Al Rum was also another christian.

So you see, TayoD when the Bible is referred to it simply means that it is the Bible before adulteration and this was such that it was before Muhammad. I always ask you christians on Nairaland; which of todays Bible is the true Bible. Is it that of the catholics, which is the mother of the protestants' Bible. Is it the Jehovah witnesses' or is it that of the others like all the orthodoxes and or that of Mormons. I am being funny here, because each sect will claim to represent true christianity.

Even though as smart as babyosisi is, its very unfortunate that she did not know that the protestant Bible is curled away from the Catholic Bible. This is with very significant chapters which are omitted in the Protestants Bible. Here one will be forced to ask, if the whole Bible is word of God, how is it that these chapters/books are omitted.

Further, I guess Babyosisi does not know why protestant sheared itself from catholic faith of christianity. She does not know when the protestant Bible was written, who commissioned it and his state of mind. You want be taken to the woodshed. I am here to teach you your religion. maybe this will make your heart tender.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by charlo(m): 8:17pm On Sep 16, 2006
kudos christians, Please continue to ignore
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 10:01pm On Sep 16, 2006
Olabowale please don't take this the wrong way.
First you must practice comprehension of written texts.
I hate for us to butt heads due to your lack of understanding.
Practice reading things a couple of times before responding.
You make very little sense sometimes.
The lesson was free by the way.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 7:05pm On Sep 17, 2006
@Babyosisi; Thank you for your 'free' lesson. Unfortunately, if you are given a Free Advise that will benefit you, from your attitude, you will reject it.

Fortunately, I answered your man's question about Qur'an 10;94. If either one of you had read the human explanation of it, there would never have been any reason for your post thereof. Infact, you would have not been in any doubt of pure revelation.

Amongst the people who followedMuhammad (AS) were persons who were before Jews and Christians. Realising the true revelation of the Oneness of God, clearly knowing from their books that this was the prophet promised to come after Jesus (AS).

Abdullah ibn salaam, a jew and Waraqa of the the Nesterian Monk of Bahira, a christian were examples. I wonder when some of you called Jesus (AS) God, one will ask for the explanation of his crying on the cross (Not that I accept that he was crucified); My God, My God, why have thou foprsaken me!.

I am a very weak soul. Yet, if I were told that something will happen to me, I would not be surprised when it does happen. Further, if I had accepted the conditions of this event, there is no reason for me to act as to imply that I am surprised or refusing to bear the consequences.

Today, there is no true believer in the predestiny of man, or that death will come, who will be surprised when it does.

Refusal to accept fate as ordained by God, the Almighty is a proof that the person who refused this fate is not a believer.

How is it that the christian hold this belief that Jesus was from those who refuse fate.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 7:35pm On Sep 17, 2006
The Bible refers to you as an unbeliever meaning you do not believe.
You have neither an understanding of the Bible nor it's revelation for the scriptures say of your kind.

, thinking themselves to be wise they became fools
.
True Islam has surfaced and no words you preach here can change the glaring reality.

I do not expect you to understand Christ or the scriptures for the preaching of the gospel is to them that perish foolishness but to us who have accepted him,it is the gift of eternal life.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 8:05pm On Sep 17, 2006
@Babyosisi; It seems as if we have made a full circle. You not knowing Qur'an when you see it. Me, as per your above statement, not knowing the Bible. Even though, as of my last entry ask you, really agitate your thinking, the humanness in you to ponder on the Biblical events which i humbly alluded to, then to reflect on the Qur'an.

For me, I am not naive about the Bible. I read it in High school. I was forced to read it. I lived with a pastor in University. I nmarried a christian, most importantly I was raise by a former christians.

My decision is very simple; There is no God save He. The Irrestistable, the One every soul yearn for His mercy. Jesus was among these souls in his worldly time.

I was talking a white associate of mine in Arkansas, yesterday. To my surprise, he said that his Sabbath was Friday/ before Midnight Saturday. I asked if he is a Seventh day adventist. He replied negative. However he was letting me to understand that Jesus did not change the Sabbath day from the day that the Jews pracise it.

I listened. I do know thaty he and me will in the future have some religious dialogue.

I cannot change anyone. Infact that is not my place. Mine is to talk about it with some decorum. God has made Paradise and Hellfire. There is a purpose for each. Humans and Jinns will be put in these places. Our effort is to find the proper way to worship God so that when we finally meet Him, He will from His mercy forgive us.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 8:17pm On Sep 17, 2006
Christ himself said the sabath is nothing but apparently you do not know that part of the scriptures.
We do not observe days.
Everday is the Lords day
You married a church goer not a Christian there is a big difference
No true Christian would marry a Muslim.
The Bible says we should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers,if she knew the Bible she would not marry you.The Bible is against that.

I read somewhere you said you are currently in love with an Igbo woman.
Perhaps another Church goer.
Christians are followers of Christ who have died to self and risen to live for Christ.
You may not understand this concept for I do not expect you to.
Alladuras,Cherubim,cele and other white garment churches claim to be Christians.
According to scriptures they are not.I don't know which denomination your exwife or mother belonged to.

No one who has ever tasted the truth in Christ can ever convert to anything else
It is not about rituals.
Christianity is about living a surrendered life of holiness,purity,love which ONLY Christ can give.

It is not found in charms and amulets or in ritualistic practices.
It is only found in a total surrender to the will of God.
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 10:30pm On Sep 17, 2006
@Babyosisi; Thank God. I do not wear any charm or armlet. It is forbidden in islam. No true muslim will wear any. Islam depends on Allah (GOD) alone. It is in there in the glorious pages of Qur'an.

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