tintingz:
Why does he need it when he's self-sufficient? What does he want to do with it, to buy private jet or what? I thought your God is even a spirit.

He can easily create enough $$$ has he want but he depends on humans living in a tiny dust in the Milky Way galaxy.

Your God is a joke!

I don't argue with atheists whom the Bible say are fools.

quote me and be ignored

babeosisi:


Is your pastor Jesus?

Jesus ordained pastors to feed of the Gospel.

1 corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

alBHAGDADI:
He needs it to keep you always in remembrance of him.

How many times do I have to show you 1 Corinthians 9 to make you see that God ordained for pastors to feed of the money?

1 corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Live not live in opulence or collect 10% tithe and January salary.
If they can't make it by a freewill offering then it's not our business
When they decide to build domes they are on their own,Paul didn't build any,his concern was always the poor not hi's jet
I also showed you that Paul worked to provide for himself and others and didn't burden the people.
The pastors in Nigeria are a huge burden to the people and their progress.
But I am glad to see by the posts here that their scamming days are coming to an end

Eres94:


cool, am just saying that tithing & first fruit are relevant in their own way, it is not law but a Christian rationale ...
let me ask, aren't they relevant in the kingdom of God ?

one can replicate such act to symbolize anything as there is no commandment against it. The old law wasn't abolised but was made whole even Jesus didn't tell the Pharisees to stop following their Abrahamic principle but he showed them the fault in it and the problem their old laws couldn't solve. so if anyone follow those old laws ignoring the new laws of cheerful giving then he or she would be judged by that old law which wouldn't save him/her. so paying tithes and offerings do not make you a cheerful giver and do not express cheerful giving.
also using 10% as a personal benchmark help discipline people who are fund of giving too little but still it should be personal. And I know of someone who give first fruit to charity just because he likes it that way.

babeosisi:


Live not live in opulence or collect 10% tithe and January salary.
I also showed you that Paul worked to provide for himself and others and didn't burden the people.
The pastors in Nigeria are a huge burden to the people and their progress.
But I am glad to see by the posts here that their scamming days are coming to an end

Paul didn't depend on the gospel to feed, but he approved of it which was done by the other apostles. If it was something wrong, he would have said it. If some Nigerian pastors are dubious, does that now mean we should throw away the doctrine with the bath water?

babeosisi:


Mark Zuckerberg your fellow human being acknowledged God by 10% abi
Imagine the logic of these people.
Unbelievers are not subject to the tithing laws and the multi millionaires of the world are overwhelmingly non Christians and they are also your bosses but the Christian is expected to pay God 10% or his life will be hell.
Don't you see the god you portray is very wicked and cannot be the Almighty God.
He is behind the pulpit wearing suit and holding a mic

When their doom comes, hope you won't suffer in it

alBHAGDADI:
I don't argue with atheists whom the Bible say are fools.

quote me and be ignored

Don't you see? Even a fool knows your God is a clown.

I applaud Nigerian youths.
The responses here show this generation is waking up and will not make the mistakes their parents make/made by funding these bottomless pits,and their unending projects.
They are building wealth with your money.Wake up and start building yours

2019 is a new year.Dont fall for any seed sowing,first fruit,tithing,prophet offering,sacrificial sacrifice,nehemiah or Jeroboam offering or whatever they decide to start .
It's all a scam for their increase and a drain on yours
Don't fund any building projects or schools for them.
Money responds to laws of money
You get increase by starting a business venture or working a job and when your production increases your money will increase all things being equal .
You don't sit in church and give money to a smooth talking charlatan and money comes.
The pastor is wealthy from collecting from you,he is not sowing anything to anyone because he knows it doesn't work

To save money this year go to a regular church that already has a building so you don't fund one
If he comes up with any projects ignore him
Save at least 20% of your own salary monthly
Start a business
Give to the poor
Don't allow an up and coming scammer use you start business
Avoid every church program with funny themes and avoid anyone that gives prophecy or tells stories
If you are in a mega church leave and find a small place that preaches a wholesome message
Develop a personal relationship with God,study the bible
Give to those in need
When you go to any program and they ask for seed sit tight nothing will happen
Make up your mind what to give as free will offering and take only that to church
Sow no seeds and make no pledges

I promise this time next year you will testify

alBHAGDADI:
When their doom comes, hope you won't suffer in it

Now I see your fullblown ignorance of the person of God and your place as a Christian.
They sold you a lie.
If you want to know about God I will tell you.
He is good
He loves us with an everlasting love.The tyrant promising you doom and gloom is your pastor.

For the past 20 years I have not paid a single penny in tithes.I have given offerings and blessed the poor and God has been good to me.
He blesses me because I am his child

babeosisi:


Now I see your fullblown ignorance of the person of God and your place as a Christian.
They sold you a lie.
If you want to know about God I will tell you.
He is good
He loves us with an everlasting love.The tyrant promising you doom and gloom is your pastor.

He only loves his children who have the holy spirit in them. He doesn't love others. He use to but not anymore. That's why John 3:16 says for God so LOVED the world...

Did you noticed the past tense LOVED? He doesn't love those that are not his except they become his .

babeosisi:
To save money this year go to a regular church that already has a building so you don't fund one
If he comes up with any projects ignore him
Save at least 20% of your own salary monthly
Start a business
Give to the poor
Don't allow an up and coming scammer use you start business
Avoid every church program with funny themes and avoid anyone that gives prophecy or tells stories
If you are in a mega church leave and find a small place that preaches a wholesome message
Develop a personal relationship with God,study the bible
Give to those in need
When you go to any program and they ask for seed sit tight nothing will happen
Make up your mind what to give as free will offering and take only that to church
Sow no seeds and make no pledges

I promise this time next year you will testify

Ask this person if he gave more than N100 as freewill offering last year, she won't have an answer.

alBHAGDADI:


He only loves his children who have the holy spirit in them. He doesn't love others. He use to but not anymore. That's why John 3:16 says for God so LOVED the world...

Did you noticed the past tense LOVED? He doesn't love those that are not his except they become his

Now you have really proven that you know of God,you don't know him

For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son.
The act of love made him give his son
You lack understanding
He causes his rain to shine on all

You haven't even read and understood the fundamentals but you want to teach on first fruits
Chai

alBHAGDADI:


Ask this person if he gave more than N100 as freewill offering last year, she won't have an answer.

It doesn't matter the amount.
God is not your thieving daddy in the pulpit.
Even if I give 1 kobo,he is still blessing

babeosisi:




Now you have really proven that you know of God,you don't know him

For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son.
You haven't even read the fundamentals but you want to teach on first fruits
Chai

You not only lack the spirit of God to understand his words which are spirit, but you also read like an illiterate. Didn't you see that the verse says for God so lovED the word i.e past tense which means he doesn't anymore?

babeosisi:


It doesn't matter the amount.
God is not your thieving daddy in the pulpit.
Even if I give 1 kobo,he is still blessing

It doesn't matter?

Can that N100 buy fuel for the generator?

What you guys want is for the gospel to die that's why you are trying to cut off the supply that propagates it

alBHAGDADI:

You not only lack the spirit of God to understand his words which are spirit, but you also read like an illiterate. Didn't you see that the verse says for God so lovED the word i.e past tense which means he doesn't anymore?

Someone help this confused child,I didn't do elementary education

alBHAGDADI:


It doesn't matter?

Can that N100 buy fuel for the generator?

What you guys want is for the gospel to die that's why you are trying to cut off the supply that propagates it

Do you realize the Church is the body of christ.
Wherever we gather is the church
If the pastor wants generator money he should give the budget and the church will do that
They are not accountable. All they do is milk money
People are awake now .no more

babeosisi:


Do you realize the Church is the body of christ.
Wherever we gather is the church
If the pastor wants generator money he should give the budget and the church will do thay

Go and gather under the sun or rain na

alBHAGDADI:
Go and gather under the sun or rain na

Paul built how many cathedrals?
Where do you think the church in galatia or conrith met
You havent read where the almighty says he doesn't live in houses made with hands.
You are the temple of God
God lives inside of you
You carry God in you and where ever you meet is a gathering of God carrying people and he is there
Nothing there about buildings

Open bible read una no go read.

It's all part of what is called the Hebrew Roots Movement found in Christian church denominations today. It is one of the signs of the coming end times - a great apostasy (the “falling away” ) An apostasy is: a rebellion, an abandonment of the truth. The end times will include a wholesale rejection of God’s revelation. 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

The Hebrew Roots Movement is a very modern movement that insists that we must resurrect first-century Judaism (our Jewish Roots) and the milieu and lifestyle of first-century Jews and impose them on both Jewish and non-Jewish believers. This is not just an academic study to better understand Scripture and its setting but is rather a movement of restoration that claims that the church has moved off its Jewish foundation and must return to a more Jewish way of life to be authentic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Roots

2 Peter 2:3

King James Version
"And through covetousness shall they (false prophets/false teachers) with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not."

New Living Translation
"In their greed they (false prophets/false teachers) will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed."

alBHAGDADI:
People who speak against giving of firstfruits love to act like the Bible doesn't contain anything about giving firstfruits. It clearly shows that they don't even read their Bible. They know nothing but act like they know it all.

Firstfruits also means firstlings. Below is Abel giving his firstling to God who got pleased by the act.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:


Below is the book of wisdom advising you to honor God with your firstfruit.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.


All who are against giving firstfruit to God are the same people against tithing. Yet they love to boast about freewill giving. Do they think the dirty N100 note they squeeze into the offering plate is what is enough to even power a Church's generator? When was the last time you gave God anything above 10%? I doubt you did such this year. Yet you sit down in an air-conditioned church, enjoy the music and the nourishing word of God without blessing God in return. Don't you know that the activities in the church is powered by other people's firstfruits?

You might say why does God need your money. He doesn't need your money, he only needs his own money. That money which you claim is yours is not really yours because everything on earth belongs to God. He gave you the money and wants just a small fraction from it. Some might also say they never saw God while they were working hard for the money, so why should they believe he gave them the money. If God had stroke you dead or caused you to be sacked, would you be counting the money? Don't you know that there are people better qualified for that job of yours than you, yet God let you have it?

If you don't pay your tithe or firsrfruits, don't worry you will still pay it later. God has a way of getting what belongs to him.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

Mark 12:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Since you don't want to give willingly what belongs to God, then he will take it out of you in one way or another. Let me tell you a story about the children of Israel. God told them to farm on the land for 6years then allow the land to rest on the 7th year. They disobeyed God and ignored his commandment. God left them alone for a while, which possibly must have made them feel God was bluffing when he gave the command.

Do you know what God did? He calculated all the 7th year they disregarded and it all amounted to 70 years. He now made the King of Babylon to take the children of Israel away from their land and into captivity in Babylon for 70years. That way, the land rested for 70years after which the children of Israel were now freed from captivity and returned to their land.

If you fail to give God, he will take it out of you. It's the same as a child saying she won't wash the dishes are parents told her to wash. Well, the kid will get spanked and still wash the dish. God can make you fall terribly sick such that the first fruits you were supposed to give him will be spent on medical bills. It could be common cough that will hey you hospitalized and make you spend that much. Perhaps your car breaking down regularly to the extent that you become a meal ticket to mechanics. The good part is that the doctors who treat you and the mechanics might be tithe or first fruit payers. That's how your money will end up with God even after you've been spanked.

The grouse most of those who kick against firstfruits have is mostly regarding the life of opulence pastors of today live. That's why they grumble at giving their money to such people. Well, if your pastor falls into such category, then go look for another church e.g a Baptist Church where accountability is high. We can't throw away the baby with the bath water because some pastors abuse and enrich themselves with first fruits.

If you don't want to Pay tithe or firstfruits, then it's between you and God. Just don't go about trying to persuade others from paying.

#Notice

I'm not a pastor neither do I own a church. I'm just an ordinary Nairalander like everyone else. My only mission is to protect God's business. Yes, God has a business and that business is the house of God. Ever wondered why Jesus told Mary and Joseph that he had to be by his father's business?


Luke 2:49
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

This is inarguably the best thread I have come across here in ages.
Nne, daalu.
U gave the best new year gift from ur heart.

Topic.
Nigerian pastors made me stop going to church yrs ago. At the time I usually go, I don't pay first fruit first this or that.
Never believed in them.
Well, I don't swallow everything I hear without proper investigation so I read my bible then diligently.

Go to Nigeria and see women using their God giving brain to serve and worship the so called pastors. If the respect they accord these mysogynists are ised on their husbands, even if their husbands are devils, they will have change of hearts.
Don't get it twisted. Men love such accolades that comes with the pulpit that's why every Tom and Jack is a pastor.
There is no difference between these people and the Muslims they hate cos of the way they treat women.
Difference is crude method and sophisticated one.

And you can never convince them otherwise.

alBHAGDADI:
People who speak against giving of firstfruits love to act like the Bible doesn't contain anything about giving firstfruits. It clearly shows that they don't even read their Bible. They know nothing but act like they know it all.

Firstfruits also means firstlings. Below is Abel giving his firstling to God who got pleased by the act.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:


Below is the book of wisdom advising you to honor God with your firstfruit.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.


All who are against giving firstfruit to God are the same people against tithing. Yet they love to boast about freewill giving. Do they think the dirty N100 note they squeeze into the offering plate is what is enough to even power a Church's generator? When was the last time you gave God anything above 10%? I doubt you did such this year. Yet you sit down in an air-conditioned church, enjoy the music and the nourishing word of God without blessing God in return. Don't you know that the activities in the church is powered by other people's firstfruits?

You might say why does God need your money. He doesn't need your money, he only needs his own money. That money which you claim is yours is not really yours because everything on earth belongs to God. He gave you the money and wants just a small fraction from it. Some might also say they never saw God while they were working hard for the money, so why should they believe he gave them the money. If God had stroke you dead or caused you to be sacked, would you be counting the money? Don't you know that there are people better qualified for that job of yours than you, yet God let you have it?

If you don't pay your tithe or firsrfruits, don't worry you will still pay it later. God has a way of getting what belongs to him.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

Mark 12:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Since you don't want to give willingly what belongs to God, then he will take it out of you in one way or another. Let me tell you a story about the children of Israel. God told them to farm on the land for 6years then allow the land to rest on the 7th year. They disobeyed God and ignored his commandment. God left them alone for a while, which possibly must have made them feel God was bluffing when he gave the command.

Do you know what God did? He calculated all the 7th year they disregarded and it all amounted to 70 years. He now made the King of Babylon to take the children of Israel away from their land and into captivity in Babylon for 70years. That way, the land rested for 70years after which the children of Israel were now freed from captivity and returned to their land.

If you fail to give God, he will take it out of you. It's the same as a child saying she won't wash the dishes are parents told her to wash. Well, the kid will get spanked and still wash the dish. God can make you fall terribly sick such that the first fruits you were supposed to give him will be spent on medical bills. It could be common cough that will hey you hospitalized and make you spend that much. Perhaps your car breaking down regularly to the extent that you become a meal ticket to mechanics. The good part is that the doctors who treat you and the mechanics might be tithe or first fruit payers. That's how your money will end up with God even after you've been spanked.

The grouse most of those who kick against firstfruits have is mostly regarding the life of opulence pastors of today live. That's why they grumble at giving their money to such people. Well, if your pastor falls into such category, then go look for another church e.g a Baptist Church where accountability is high. We can't throw away the baby with the bath water because some pastors abuse and enrich themselves with first fruits.

If you don't want to Pay tithe or firstfruits, then it's between you and God. Just don't go about trying to persuade others from paying.

#Notice

I'm not a pastor neither do I own a church. I'm just an ordinary Nairalander like everyone else. My only mission is to protect God's business. Yes, God has a business and that business is the house of God. Ever wondered why Jesus told Mary and Joseph that he had to be by his father's business?


Luke 2:49
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

Christ is our first fruit. We are not under law
*You forgot to tell us which of the churches u pastor*
Nonesense. Wetin concern Ceasar with First fruit again?
You done plan how u go take strip ur gullible members of their money. E no go work...MINI gOD

dude have you even started earning? do you have people you cater for? do you have a good paying job? are you comfortable in this country?
you're saying peeps should give their full month salary to a church.
you're wicked mate.

alBHAGDADI:
People who speak against giving of firstfruits love to act like the Bible doesn't contain anything about giving firstfruits. It clearly shows that they don't even read their Bible. They know nothing but act like they know it all.

Firstfruits also means firstlings. Below is Abel giving his firstling to God who got pleased by the act.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:


Below is the book of wisdom advising you to honor God with your firstfruit.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.


All who are against giving firstfruit to God are the same people against tithing. Yet they love to boast about freewill giving. Do they think the dirty N100 note they squeeze into the offering plate is what is enough to even power a Church's generator? When was the last time you gave God anything above 10%? I doubt you did such this year. Yet you sit down in an air-conditioned church, enjoy the music and the nourishing word of God without blessing God in return. Don't you know that the activities in the church is powered by other people's firstfruits?

You might say why does God need your money. He doesn't need your money, he only needs his own money. That money which you claim is yours is not really yours because everything on earth belongs to God. He gave you the money and wants just a small fraction from it. Some might also say they never saw God while they were working hard for the money, so why should they believe he gave them the money. If God had stroke you dead or caused you to be sacked, would you be counting the money? Don't you know that there are people better qualified for that job of yours than you, yet God let you have it?

If you don't pay your tithe or firsrfruits, don't worry you will still pay it later. God has a way of getting what belongs to him.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

Mark 12:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Since you don't want to give willingly what belongs to God, then he will take it out of you in one way or another. Let me tell you a story about the children of Israel. God told them to farm on the land for 6years then allow the land to rest on the 7th year. They disobeyed God and ignored his commandment. God left them alone for a while, which possibly must have made them feel God was bluffing when he gave the command.

Do you know what God did? He calculated all the 7th year they disregarded and it all amounted to 70 years. He now made the King of Babylon to take the children of Israel away from their land and into captivity in Babylon for 70years. That way, the land rested for 70years after which the children of Israel were now freed from captivity and returned to their land.

If you fail to give God, he will take it out of you. It's the same as a child saying she won't wash the dishes are parents told her to wash. Well, the kid will get spanked and still wash the dish. God can make you fall terribly sick such that the first fruits you were supposed to give him will be spent on medical bills. It could be common cough that will hey you hospitalized and make you spend that much. Perhaps your car breaking down regularly to the extent that you become a meal ticket to mechanics. The good part is that the doctors who treat you and the mechanics might be tithe or first fruit payers. That's how your money will end up with God even after you've been spanked.

The grouse most of those who kick against firstfruits have is mostly regarding the life of opulence pastors of today live. That's why they grumble at giving their money to such people. Well, if your pastor falls into such category, then go look for another church e.g a Baptist Church where accountability is high. We can't throw away the baby with the bath water because some pastors abuse and enrich themselves with first fruits.

If you don't want to Pay tithe or firstfruits, then it's between you and God. Just don't go about trying to persuade others from paying.

#Notice

I'm not a pastor neither do I own a church. I'm just an ordinary Nairalander like everyone else. My only mission is to protect God's business. Yes, God has a business and that business is the house of God. Ever wondered why Jesus told Mary and Joseph that he had to be by his father's business?


Luke 2:49
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

You and ur kind be thief,is it the GOD in heaven you won give First Fruit or the one on earth

sulasa07:

You and ur kind be thief,is it the GOD in heaven you won give First Fruit or the one on earth

What about the offering you give to church?

alBHAGDADI:
What about the offering you give to church?

What offering?First,am a student n Second,I'm not Christian

spongeisback:
You're very cunny. You bolded first fruit but not the INCREASE next to it. How can a person earning an amount in 2018 and January 2019 he/she still earns same, will you say that person has an increase? So if someone earns 20k and he has a family and no other means of income, he gives you all his January salary you will accept it.

You pastors or whatever you claim you're need to hide your head in shame. Stop devising means to take the little people have. This country is sooooooooooo poor, instead of taking why don't you give back? Haven't you guys taken ENOUGH?!!!!! All your prayers,sowing and declarations and Nigeria is still a cesspit.

You're very wicked. January has 5 freaking week and school fees,books,uniforms and many bills have to be paid and you want them to give their money to a pastor?! When did FRUIT a farm produce become money?!

The Nigerian version of Christian god is always hungry for money. He's never ever satisfied. This same January he's asking for your first money, he still wants your tithe, he still wants your offering, he will still lay it in your pastor's heart to raise seeds and funds.

On point.
I reckoned that an average mumu christian is expected to give about 3 months out of 12 months of his/her salary to these scammers

1st fruits = 1 month
Tithes = 1.2 months
Seeds, offering, thanksgiving etc = 0.8 months

Total = 3 months salary gone

It’s difficult to make progress with this mumu mentality

alBHAGDADI:

I'm not a pastor neither do I have a church. I don't even attend church, but will start as from January 2019.

Are you saying we should throw away the old testament? Remember that firstfruits offerings as seen in Genesis and proverbs are not talking about the law of Moses which you all love to throw away. Proverbs is a book that encompasses both old and new testaments.

You all love to ask for New Testament verses. Okay, below is one. Why haven't you guys sold your land and house to give the Money to the church?

Acts 4:34-35
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

You want to start with first fruit gospel. You are up to something dubious.

Awon Ole jatijati...
Many Nigerian Christians na mumu o

ntyce:
People like the OP are the problems of this country...
First day of the year when discussion should be based on how to improve our productivity as a nation, you are here giving credence to how citizens should be fleeced of their livelihood.

;DOp is a hardened criminal.