TenQ:

I seldom speak in tongues, yet God has used me in
1. Healing the sick (at a time, I even thought I have the gift of healing)
2. Deliverance (casting out demons and unclean spirits)
How do you account for this please.

You mix up Baptism of the Holy Spirit which take place at Salvation AND Being Filled with the Holy Spirit. There is a big difference!

Please the method of your Quotations isn't easy to the eyes

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Please the method of your Quotations isn't easy to the eyes

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What about doing it one by one like this is it now easy to the eyes

Bishopkingsley:


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You mix up Baptism of the Holy Spirit which take place at Salvation AND Being Filled with the Holy Spirit. There is a big difference!

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The disciples of Jesus received Jesus over three years plus before they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit

It actually varies so I can't tell you there is a formulae but one thing is certain you must receive Jesus as your lord God Almighty and Savior before the holy spirit Baptism takes place

For some it might be immediately they become Baptised for others it might take long
There is no formula to it except you must receive Christ first before the other one occurs

What happens to a person who dies (after salvation) before speaking in tongues?
Does he go to hell since you claim he isn't baptized yet

Bishopkingsley:


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Please the method of your Quotations isn't easy to the eyes

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What about doing it one by one like this is it now easy to the eyes

But, you will then open several micro-threads over a single post. It's a waste of precious time

TenQ:
In Act 2, the God interpreted the "noise of several people probably speaking Hebrew" into several languages that people could understand to the HEARERS!
Since you and your church has been speaking/praying in tongues, have you ever seen an unbeliever come in repentant because of hearing the meaning of the glossa you speak?

Can you answer why most church where tongues are spoken in Nigeria fail the test of COMPREHENSION of outsiders?

Note: In comparison, I have seen where the gift of healing operates and unbelievers come out giving testimonies of what Jesus has done. Where are the equivalence with tongues

You will note clearly that what 99.999% of you speak is NOT the gift but the Operating. Except, you can point out 10% of your church congregation who operate in just ONE out of the four CONSISTENTLY


Which of these four above do YOU consistently function in since you claim to have the GIFT of tongues.

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Since you and your church has been speaking/praying in tongues, have you ever seen an unbeliever come in repentant because of hearing the meaning of the glossa you speak?

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No one can cage God ways in the Bible God used speaking in tongues and many other methods to win souls read where one Apostle disappeared to one place and preach and disappeared back to another location

So the truth is actually God has infinite ways to win souls not even all are recorded in the Bible

A lady can smile to you and you follow her to her church from there God wins you over

So it not only tongues that God uses there are billion ways souls are won to the kingdom of God

TenQ:
In Act 2, the God interpreted the "noise of several people probably speaking Hebrew" into several languages that people could understand to the HEARERS!
Since you and your church has been speaking/praying in tongues, have you ever seen an unbeliever come in repentant because of hearing the meaning of the glossa you speak?

Can you answer why most church where tongues are spoken in Nigeria fail the test of COMPREHENSION of outsiders?

Note: In comparison, I have seen where the gift of healing operates and unbelievers come out giving testimonies of what Jesus has done. Where are the equivalence with tongues

You will note clearly that what 99.999% of you speak is NOT the gift but the Operating. Except, you can point out 10% of your church congregation who operate in just ONE out of the four CONSISTENTLY


Which of these four above do YOU consistently function in since you claim to have the GIFT of tongues.

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Can you answer why most church where tongues are spoken in Nigeria fail the test of COMPREHENSION of outsiders?

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Outsiders hear the normal language church says so no need to use speaking in tongues to preach to them like the one that happened in the Bible

Bishopkingsley:


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Since you and your church has been speaking/praying in tongues, have you ever seen an unbeliever come in repentant because of hearing the meaning of the glossa you speak?

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No one can cage God ways in the Bible God used speaking in tongues and many other methods to win souls read where one Apostle disappeared to one place and preach and disappeared back to another location

So the truth is actually God has infinite ways to win souls not even all are recorded in the Bible

A lady can smile to you and you follow her to her church from there God wins you over

So it not only tongues that God uses there are billion ways souls are won to the kingdom of God

Yes, God can work in several ways BUT, Nigerian churches have being praying (many times very loudly) since the penticostal wave in the 1980's. This is over twenty plus years after with thousands of churches (they can't all be fakes).
Just a few examples will do please.

Bishopkingsley:


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Can you answer why most church where tongues are spoken in Nigeria fail the test of COMPREHENSION of outsiders?

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Outsiders hear the normal language church says so no need to use speaking in tongues to preach to them like the one that happened in the Bible

In Acts 2, every outsider heated in his own NATIVE language.

It would have been impossible to even comprehend anything if the church was simultaneously speaking more than five different real languages.

Can you then answer why most church where tongues are spoken in Nigeria fail the test of COMPREHENSION of outsiders?

Myer:


Do you have the gift of interpretation of tongues?

Seems everyone speaks in tongues but no one to interprete.

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Do you have the gift of interpretation of tongues?

Seems everyone speaks in tongues but no one to interprete.

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All men of God that you see speaking in tongues on the altar in front of church people notice once they end the speaking in tongues they begin to speak English

That English or preaching that they preach next is the interpretation

I interpret all the time when am preaching
We won't come and say to people this is the interpretation of the tongues no

Because we are under a heavy power to speak our heart no time to calculate steps because our hearts is filled with information on what to deliver

shadeyinka:

I don't even have the gift of tongues l.

99.999% of those who pray in tongues do not have the gift. The GIFT operates mainly in
1. Evangelistic Ministries
2. Apostolic Ministries

The Gift of Tongues operates in diverse ways
1. Ability to Acquire and be proficient in a Foreign Language in a very short time for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries
2. Ability to Speak in a known language (e.g. English) which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect (e.g. Fulfude)
3. Ability to Speak in glossa which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect
4. Ability to speak an unlearnt foreign language for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries


If glossa is the tongue referred to, it is just a prayer language and not a spiritual gift.
If dialectos is the tongue referred to, it is most likely a spiritual gift

I appreciate your honesty and wisdom. May the gifts truly be made manifest in the lives of true believers that the body of Christ may grow in the fullness of Christ and the purpose of the gospel will be truly achieved both ndividually and corpporately even as a church.

shadeyinka:

I don't even have the gift of tongues l.

99.999% of those who pray in tongues do not have the gift. The GIFT operates mainly in
1. Evangelistic Ministries
2. Apostolic Ministries

The Gift of Tongues operates in diverse ways
1. Ability to Acquire and be proficient in a Foreign Language in a very short time for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries
2. Ability to Speak in a known language (e.g. English) which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect (e.g. Fulfude)
3. Ability to Speak in glossa which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect
4. Ability to speak an unlearnt foreign language for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries


If glossa is the tongue referred to, it is just a prayer language and not a spiritual gift.
If dialectos is the tongue referred to, it is most likely a spiritual gift

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I don't even have the gift of tongues l.

99.999% of those who pray in tongues do not have the gift. The GIFT operates mainly in
1. Evangelistic Ministries
2. Apostolic Ministries

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I don't know the number of people who have it but one thing I know God gave the gift to me immediately he gave me understanding of who Jesus is if you pray for the holy spirit to come in your heart God will equally give him to you

And you will experience the beautiful power

shadeyinka:

I don't even have the gift of tongues l.

99.999% of those who pray in tongues do not have the gift. The GIFT operates mainly in
1. Evangelistic Ministries
2. Apostolic Ministries

The Gift of Tongues operates in diverse ways
1. Ability to Acquire and be proficient in a Foreign Language in a very short time for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries
2. Ability to Speak in a known language (e.g. English) which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect (e.g. Fulfude)
3. Ability to Speak in glossa which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect
4. Ability to speak an unlearnt foreign language for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries


If glossa is the tongue referred to, it is just a prayer language and not a spiritual gift.
If dialectos is the tongue referred to, it is most likely a spiritual gift

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If glossa is the tongue referred to, it is just a prayer language and not a spiritual gift.
If dialectos is the tongue referred to, it is most likely a spiritual gift

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The bible let us know that the holy spirit is a gift
Many places you see the gift of the Holy Spirit
Once he comes to you he brings speaking in tongues to show you his presence that you are now sealed of God you now belong to God forever

Myer:


I appreciate your honesty and wisdom. May the gifts truly be made manifest in the lives of true believers that the body of Christ may grow in the fullness of Christ and the purpose of the gospel will be truly achieved both ndividually and corpporately even as a church.

Amen.
Every Christian should be fruitful with their primary spiritual gift.

However, every Christian can function in every area according to the need of the church not necessarily because they they have the spiritual Gift or calling

God will hold me directly accountable for how I have made profit for Him through the use of my spiritual gifts and calling

TenQ:
In Act 2, the God interpreted the "noise of several people probably speaking Hebrew" into several languages that people could understand to the HEARERS!
Since you and your church has been speaking/praying in tongues, have you ever seen an unbeliever come in repentant because of hearing the meaning of the glossa you speak?

Can you answer why most church where tongues are spoken in Nigeria fail the test of COMPREHENSION of outsiders?

Note: In comparison, I have seen where the gift of healing operates and unbelievers come out giving testimonies of what Jesus has done. Where are the equivalence with tongues

You will note clearly that what 99.999% of you speak is NOT the gift but the Operating. Except, you can point out 10% of your church congregation who operate in just ONE out of the four CONSISTENTLY


Which of these four above do YOU consistently function in since you claim to have the GIFT of tongues.

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Note: In comparison, I have seen where the gift of healing operates and unbelievers come out giving testimonies of what Jesus has done. Where are the equivalence with tongues

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Speaking in tongues is a mystery
I can speak in tongues for hours and not even know, I have spent hours, I can do it and my spirit leaves my body to where God wants to take me too and show me things visions

It not like healing it is a mysterious event which can not be explained with normal words so how can you begin to explain it as a testimony if I tell you what I have seen while speaking you will be shocked to your marrow

Bishopkingsley:


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If glossa is the tongue referred to, it is just a prayer language and not a spiritual gift.
If dialectos is the tongue referred to, it is most likely a spiritual gift

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The bible let us know that the holy spirit is a gift
Many places you see the gift of the Holy Spirit
Once he comes to you he brings speaking in tongues to show you his presence that you are now sealed of God you now belong to God forever

No sir!
You put the cart before the horse.

He who have Jesus have LIFE. This is salvation and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. At salvation, you have the GIFTs of the Holy Spirit which is activated through your use in Faith.

Being filled is being controlled (intoxicated) by the Resident Holy Spirit through you "Yielding" yourself to Him. This is what generates faith, prophecy, tongues etc.

TenQ:
In Act 2, the God interpreted the "noise of several people probably speaking Hebrew" into several languages that people could understand to the HEARERS!
Since you and your church has been speaking/praying in tongues, have you ever seen an unbeliever come in repentant because of hearing the meaning of the glossa you speak?

Can you answer why most church where tongues are spoken in Nigeria fail the test of COMPREHENSION of outsiders?

Note: In comparison, I have seen where the gift of healing operates and unbelievers come out giving testimonies of what Jesus has done. Where are the equivalence with tongues

You will note clearly that what 99.999% of you speak is NOT the gift but the Operating. Except, you can point out 10% of your church congregation who operate in just ONE out of the four CONSISTENTLY


Which of these four above do YOU consistently function in since you claim to have the GIFT of tongues.

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You will note clearly that what 99.999% of you speak is NOT the gift but the Operating. Except, you can point out 10% of your church congregation who operate in just ONE out of the four CONSISTENTLY

Answer
God was angry with David when he wanted to count Isreal to see if what God promised Abraham that his seed shall be like the sand of the sea to see if that promise is actually possible and if it has happened

Stop counting this things they are spiritual things which can not be understood with senses speaking in tongues is to make you holy make you become like Jesus that what God is actually interested in God is not bothered about you performing great signs when your life is in sin

So he wants to first build your character up renew your soul and heal your body before you can attend to others

Bishopkingsley:


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Note: In comparison, I have seen where the gift of healing operates and unbelievers come out giving testimonies of what Jesus has done. Where are the equivalence with tongues

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Speaking in tongues is a mystery
I can speak in tongues for hours and not even know you spent hours I can do it and my spirit leaves my body to where God wants to take me too and show me things visions

It not like healing it is a mysterious event which can not be explained with normal words so how can you begin to explain it as a testimony if I tell you what I have seen while speaking you will be shocked to your marrow

There is no spiritual gift for private consumption including tongues.

Let others be the judge of the efficacy of your tongues.

Mind you: I do not despise tongues as a "prayer language" BUT it isn't a GIFT.

If giving doesn't make me gifted by the Holy Spirit
If evangelism doesn't make me an evangelist
If healing the sick doesnt make me one with gift of healing

How come it is only tongues (without the FIRE and the NOISE of rushing Winds) is a Spiritual Gift?

TenQ:

But I also know of people who never once spoke in tongues manifest the Gift of Healing, Apostlic and Prophecic. Revd. Playfair of the SIM who ministered in a village called Oro-Ago in Kwara State is one such a person.

Salvation is the seal of God and speaking in tongues. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the seal of God not tongue or being filled.

Like I said, you don't seem to know the distinction between being Baptized in/with the Holy Spirit and Being Filled with the Holy Spirit.

Salvation is the seal of God yes
but what am actually trying to let you know is speaking in tongues is a higher dimension try to understand this

Now the thief on the cross made it to paradise yes because he believed Jesus and had his own salvation

But he was not Baptised in the holy spirit Baptism because there was no time given to him but you are still on earth you actually need this deeper dimension to walk in yes salvation is a seal it in the Bible not walking in wickedness is a seal,

Now holy spirit can be in you dormant God will stir it the power up in you holy spirit always comes with speaking in tongues that is sure banker it a must he can not Stay in you and not show you your belly will boil like hot water when he hit you some thing must indicate to you and you will speak

Bishopkingsley:


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You will note clearly that what 99.999% of you speak is NOT the gift but the Operating. Except, you can point out 10% of your church congregation who operate in just ONE out of the four CONSISTENTLY

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God was angry with David when he wanted to count Isreal to see if what God promised Abraham that his seed shall be like the sand of the sea to see if that promise is actually possible and if it has happened

Stop counting this things they are spiritual things which can not be understood with senses speaking in tongues is to make you holy make you become like Jesus that what God is actually interested in God is not bothered about you performing great signs when your life is in sin

So he wants to first build your character up renew your soul and heal your body before you can attend to others

I don't know of any either.

The truth is bitter. Like I said, I used to think like you until I studied the scripture and not what our revered men of God has taught us.

In understanding, be men...

Every Spiritual Gift is to EDIFY the church! In what practical ways is your tongue edifying your church or people outside the church?

Tell me a Spiritual Gift that is for Private consumption?

Bishopkingsley:


Salvation is the seal of God yes
but what am actually trying to let you know is speaking in tongues is a higher dimension try to understand this

Now the thief on the cross made it to paradise yes because he believed Jesus and had his own salvation

But he was not Baptised in the holy spirit Baptism because there was no time given to him but you are still on earth you actually need this deeper dimension to walk in yes salvation is a seal it in the Bible not walking in wickedness is a seal,

Now holy spirit can be in you dormant God will stir it the power up in you holy spirit always comes with speaking in tongues that is sure banker it a must he can not Stay in you and not show you your belly will boil like hot water when he hit you some thing must indicate to you and you will speak

Tell me something or a spiritual ability that a person who speak in tongues can do that a person (born again) who doesn't speak in tongue cannot?

TenQ:

But I also know of people who never once spoke in tongues manifest the Gift of Healing, Apostlic and Prophecic. Revd. Playfair of the SIM who ministered in a village called Oro-Ago in Kwara State is one such a person.

Salvation is the seal of God and speaking in tongues. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the seal of God not tongue or being filled.

Like I said, you don't seem to know the distinction between being Baptized in/with the Holy Spirit and Being Filled with the Holy Spirit.

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Like I said, you don't seem to know the distinction between being Baptized in/with the Holy Spirit and Being Filled with the Holy Spirit.

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It an insult to say this to me
Just because I can't use words to write down what I feel in my spirit and just because you can not actually understand me that why you say this

Have some respect the things I say to you here are not meant to be taught by men

It in the Bible only God teaches this things that is why you can never understand me not in this world can you understand this spiritual things

Am saying it because I want to say it so that those who don't understand it won't eat wrong information

The truth is normal mind won't understand it

TenQ:

What happens to a person who dies (after salvation) before speaking in tongues?
Does he go to hell since you claim he isn't baptized yet

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What happens to a person who dies (after salvation) before speaking in tongues?
Does he go to hell since you claim he isn't baptized yet

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Salvation can take you to heaven only believe in Jesus can save any one

TenQ:

But, you will then open several micro-threads over a single post. It's a waste of precious time

Don't rush spiritual things step by step by step is good

Bishopkingsley:


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Note: In comparison, I have seen where the gift of healing operates and unbelievers come out giving testimonies of what Jesus has done. Where are the equivalence with tongues

Answer
Speaking in tongues is a mystery
I can speak in tongues for hours and not even know you spent hours I can do it and my spirit leaves my body to where God wants to take me too and show me things visions

It not like healing it is a mysterious event which can not be explained with normal words so how can you begin to explain it as a testimony if I tell you what I have seen while speaking you will be shocked to your marrow

Every Spiritual Gift can be explained as:
Bro TenQ prayed for me and I was healed.
Bro TenQ spoke words of encouragement to me and my spirit was lifted up.

How is the tongue with no COMPREHENSION benefit the hearers?


The Power of a Christian is NOT in tongues but in the Spoken Word (note that satan cannot comprehend you when you speak in tongues: hence how does he know you have commanded it to loose it's hold)?

TenQ:

Yes, God can work in several ways BUT, Nigerian churches have being praying (many times very loudly) since the penticostal wave in the 1980's. This is over twenty plus years after with thousands of churches (they can't all be fakes).
Just a few examples will do please.

The thief on the cross made it to paradise let us assume that you were there when they killed him with Jesus what are you going to say in your heart

You are going to say this thief is in hell but you can see from the Bible he is not in hell

Jesus said harlot and sinners will make it on the last day so kindly stop looking for evidence of tongues in the community when you can't see how God is doing his work in people's life each day

Bishopkingsley:


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What happens to a person who dies (after salvation) before speaking in tongues?
Does he go to hell since you claim he isn't baptized yet

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Salvation can take you to heaven only believe in Jesus can save any one

So, what is different with a Christian who prays in Tongues?

Bishopkingsley:


The thief on the cross made it to paradise
Ryu assume that you were there when they killed him with Jesus what are you going to say in your heart

You are going to say this thief is in hell but you can see from the Bible he is not in hell

Jesus said harlot and sinners will make it on the last day so kindly stop looking for evidence of tongues in the community when you can't see how God is doing his work in people's life each day

The good thief was saved because with his heart, he believed and with his mouth, he asked remember me when you get to your kingdom.

In heaven, what will be the difference you and that thief?

Myer:


I appreciate your honesty and wisdom. May the gifts truly be made manifest in the lives of true believers that the body of Christ may grow in the fullness of Christ and the purpose of the gospel will be truly achieved both ndividually and corpporately even as a church.

Amen

Myer:


I appreciate your honesty and wisdom. May the gifts truly be made manifest in the lives of true believers that the body of Christ may grow in the fullness of Christ and the purpose of the gospel will be truly achieved both ndividually and corpporately even as a church.

. Amen

shadeyinka:

Amen.
Every Christian should be fruitful with their primary spiritual gift.

However, every Christian can function in every area according to the need of the church not necessarily because they they have the spiritual Gift or calling

God will hold me directly accountable for how I have made profit for Him through the use of my spiritual gifts and calling

Any thing you have use it to win souls that is the most important thing on earth

shadeyinka:

No sir!
You put the cart before the horse.

He who have Jesus have LIFE. This is salvation and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. At salvation, you have the GIFTs of the Holy Spirit which is activated through your use in Faith.

Being filled is being controlled (intoxicated) by the Resident Holy Spirit through you "Yielding" yourself to Him. This is what generates faith, prophecy, tongues etc.

I really don't know how to explain it to you
Look there are no steps in this things no formula you can receive Jesus today and equally be filled and equally be speaking in tongues today so there are no non steps other than God is the only one who knows how he does his work.

Stop assuming you know the cart and horse steps

shadeyinka:

There is no spiritual gift for private consumption including tongues.

Let others be the judge of the efficacy of your tongues.

Mind you: I do not despise tongues as a "prayer language" BUT it isn't a GIFT.

If giving doesn't make me gifted by the Holy Spirit
If evangelism doesn't make me an evangelist
If healing the sick doesnt make me one with gift of healing

How come it is only tongues (without the FIRE and the NOISE of rushing Winds) is a Spiritual Gift?

Is there any place you have seen where any one told you that speaking in tongues is the only spiritual gift available in the Bible or in God

Bishopkingsley:


Is there any place you have seen where any one told you that speaking in tongues is the only spiritual gift available in the Bible or in God

Is there a single spiritual gift that every Christian should have?

Does everyone who teach have the gift of teaching?
Does everyone who exhorts have the gift of exhortation?
Does everyone who heal have the gift of healing?
Does everyone who pray in tongues have the gift of tongues?