emmyileri:

That's called the power of choice. Human beings are not robots but given the power to choose whom they will serve. God doesn't force his will on his created being but show them the consequences of their actions.
NIV:This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
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NIV:and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob... Deuteronomy 30:19-20

You didn't answer the questions!

My questions are:

Wasn't the biblical God already aware before creating Adam the choices and actions Adam would make?

Why allow Lucifer/Satan a place to deceive them?

Why didn't the biblical God forgive Adam there and then and save Himself the stress of having to later kill himself/a part of himself or His son?

Ikem11:


God made man in his image . Image of God is the ability to choose whatever He wishes and that's what God regretted giving man.
He never regret making man he only regretted making man in his image because he can't take that away .

God regretted? That means he never knew if he gave man such he would misuse it. If he had knew he won't regret! Is your God really God?

That's why you can even joke or say anything you wish as you like nothing happens. You can choose to worship God of not ....you can even choose to continue in Adams sin by eating the Apple which leads to destruction of man and places guilt and condemnation in him.

You still didn't answer the questions!

My questions are:

Wasn't the biblical God already aware before creating Adam the choices and actions Adam would make?

Why allow Lucifer/Satan a place to deceive them?

Why didn't the biblical God forgive Adam there and then and save Himself the stress of having to later kill himself/a part of himself or His son?

luluosas:
Your moniker says it all. So, no need to waste time in trying to enlighten you. Cheers

Next time just don't mention me! Just wakka pass!

Cheers bro!

victorazy:


Were you given after failing WAEC to proceed to university?

Is this a correct sentence?

jayworld15:



Why can't the governments of the world forgive offenders and save their governments of the cost of maintenance of prisons and prisoners including crime cases? I think your answer to your question is here.

It seems you are answering another question! Na reason why many fail exams! The government of the world can't forgive offenders as there are laws/punishment which is never hereditary like your God's! Comparing your God to the world Government is the worst form of analogy i can see!

And how did you answer any of the questions below?

Wasn't the biblical God already aware before creating Adam the choices and actions Adam would make?

Why allow Lucifer/Satan a place to deceive them?

Why didn't the biblical God forgive Adam there and then and save Himself the stress of having to later kill himself/a part of himself or His son?

AntiChristian:


Is this a correct sentence?

A word is missing, I saw it and I purposely left because is inconsequential.

AntiChristian:


God regretted? That means he never knew if he gave man such he would misuse it. If he had knew he won't regret! Is your God really God?



You still didn't answer the questions!

My questions are:

Wasn't the biblical God already aware before creating Adam the choices and actions Adam would make?

Why allow Lucifer/Satan a place to deceive them?

Why didn't the biblical God forgive Adam there and then and save Himself the stress of having to later kill himself/a part of himself or His son?

Let me explain nicely . Remember God got angels before he made man, Angels got powers but lack one thing ( image of God). If an Angel sins , they receive instant punishment they don't disobey God's order.

God decided to make something He can talk to like him. Something he can have dominion with. And for him to do that that thing must have His image. Remember, Angels don't talk to God , they Answer to Him. That's why God made Man in His image . And image of God we talking about is His ability to be God ( do what pleases you).

Also remember God gave Adam power to rule all over Earth just as He rule Heaven . Even Man named all the living and non living in earth .

And yes! God is God and He is Merciful Endures forever that's why you can still be alive asking this questions.

AntiChristian:


It seems you are answering another question! Na reason why many fail exams! The government of the world can't forgive offenders as there are laws/punishment which is never hereditary like your God's! Comparing your God to the world Government is the worst form of analogy i can see!

And how did you answer any of the questions below?

Wasn't the biblical God already aware before creating Adam the choices and actions Adam would make?

Why allow Lucifer/Satan a place to deceive them?

Why didn't the biblical God forgive Adam there and then and save Himself the stress of having to later kill himself/a part of himself or His son?

You are the one that failed woefully, Mr Man. Laws and orders are given to direct individuals in their respective walks in life. Every law under heaven is a clue to the divine nature of existence -all things are govern by laws and regulations- to check humans' step. You can't answer that question because you know the answer. All humans at birth were like Adam in his morning. The governments could never at this point determine who follows or disobeys the laws. The laws of the land guide them so that whosoever disobeys them us brought to book for recompense. Adam was given the law; he has a free will but chose to disobeyed God. It's a stain. When you have a stain on your shirt, you use soap or detergents and water to wash it. Same way, the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ, that is, in toto, only Jesus Christ can remove that Adamic stain. Physically, offsprings have same or near total genetic sameness taken from their parents. Spiritually, Adam could only bequeath to us all that sinful gene that made us separated from God. Jesus (Man and God duality) has to correct that.

jayworld15:


You are the one that failed woefully, Mr Man. Laws and orders are given to direct individuals in their respective walks in life. Every law under heaven is a clue to the divine nature of existence -all things are govern by laws and regulations- to check humans' step. You can't answer that question because you know the answer. All humans at birth were like Adam in his morning. The governments could never at this point determine who follows or disobeys the laws. The laws of the land guide them so that whosoever disobeys them us brought to book for recompense.

Still repeating the flawed analogy...

Adam was given the law; he has a free will but chose to disobeyed God. It's a stain. When you have a stain on your shirt, you use soap or detergents and water to wash it. Same way, the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ, that is, in toto, only Jesus Christ can remove that Adamic stain. Physically, offsprings have same or near total genetic sameness taken from their parents. Spiritually, Adam could only bequeath to us all that sinful gene that made us separated from God. Jesus (Man and God duality) has to correct that.

Why can't God forgive Adam directly and let you rest?
The soul that sins shall die! Why the need to inherit sin like DNA!
More so, we inherit sin, why didn't we inherit Adam's good deeds or he didn't do any good worthy of being inherited?
The Biblical God is so unfair! And you keep painting him as such!

Adam was not forgiven....till your your God had to send his son that had no sin to die again!
May we not be led astray!
This is human ritual!

AntiChristian:
Still repeating the flawed analogy...




Why can't God forgive Adam directly and let you rest?
The soul that sins shall die! Why the need to inherit sin like DNA!
More so, we inherit sin, why didn't we inherit Adam's good deeds or he didn't do any good worthy of being inherited?
The Biblical God is so unfair! And you keep painting him as such!

Adam was not forgiven....till your your God had to send his son that had no sin to die again!
May we not be led astray!
This is human ritual!

What good did Adam do I want to know?

AntiChristian:


You didn't answer the questions!

My questions are:

Wasn't the biblical God already aware before creating Adam the choices and actions Adam would make?

Why allow Lucifer/Satan a place to deceive them?

Why didn't the biblical God forgive Adam there and then and save Himself the stress of having to later kill himself/a part of himself or His son?

What you need is not answer to your question but BRAIN RESET

blueAgent:
You are confused.
How can born again ppl have eternal life and still spend it in Hell fire?
Stop twisting God's word.

Carefully examine the Truth of God as revealed by Jesus Christ Himself right there in the 4 Gospels, and tell me what part of His teachings in the passages below seem twisted to you.

A. A man must be born-again in order to gain access to the Kingdom of God

1. There was a man named Nicodemus, one of the Pharisees. He was an important Jewish leader.
2. One night he came to Jesus and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a teacher sent from God. No one can do these miraculous signs that you do unless they have God’s help.”
3. Jesus answered, “I assure you, everyone must be born again. Anyone who is not born again cannot be in God’s kingdom.”.
4. Nicodemus said, “How can a man who is already old be born again? Can he go back into his mother’s womb and be born a second time?”
5. Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.
6. The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.
7. Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’ .
8. The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” - John 3 vs 1 - 8.

B. In order to gain access into the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ also taught those who would hear Him that there are two gates through which one may choose to enter in through - the Broad Gate which leads to destruction or the Narrow Gate that leads to True Life. Essentially, Jesus Christ taught those who listened that there is a way that seems right since you are born-again through that way as well but at the end of it lays nothing but destruction.

13. “You can enter true life only through the narrow gate. The gate to hell is very wide, and there is plenty of room on the road that leads there. Many people go that way.
14. But the gate that opens the way to true life is narrow. And the road that leads there is hard to follow. Only a few people find it. - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14.

C. Jesus Christ urged all those listening to endeavor to enter into the Kingdom of God through the Narrow Gate which leads to True Life because all those who enter into the Broad Gate will be locked out of God's Heaven at the end.

22. Jesus was teaching in every town and village. He continued to travel toward Jerusalem.
23. Someone said to him, “Lord, how many people will be saved? Only a few?”
Jesus said, .
24. “The door to heaven is narrow. Try hard to enter it. Many people will want to enter there, but they will not be able to go in. .
25. If a man locks the door of his house, you can stand outside and knock on the door, but he won’t open it. You can say, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’ But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you. Where did you come from?’ .
26. Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you. You taught in the streets of our town.’ .
27. Then he will say to you, ‘I don’t know you. Where did you come from? Get away from me! You are all people who do wrong!’.
28. “You will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in God’s kingdom. But you will be left outside. There you will cry and grind your teeth with pain.
29. People will come from the east, west, north, and south. They will sit down at the table in God’s kingdom.
30. People who have the lowest place in life now will have the highest place in God’s kingdom. And people who have the highest place now will have the lowest place in God’s kingdom.”. - Luke 13 vs 22 - 30

D. To that end, Jesus Christ further explained that the Kingdom, the Kingdom of God, which He is King over is not of the world.

36. Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” - John 18 vs 36.

E. Jesus shed more like on the makeup of that Kingdom when He revealed to those listening what is to take place when He returns to judge the world in the end.

31. “The Son of Man will come again with divine greatness, and all his angels will come with him. He will sit as king on his great and glorious throne.
32. All the people of the world will be gathered before him. Then he will separate everyone into two groups. It will be like a shepherd separating his sheep from his goats.
33. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34. “Then the king will say to the godly people on his right, ‘Come, my Father has great blessings for you. The kingdom he promised is now yours. It has been prepared for you since the world was made. .
35. It is yours because when I was hungry, you gave me food to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I had no place to stay, you welcomed me into your home.
36. When I was without clothes, you gave me something to wear. When I was sick, you cared for me. When I was in prison, you came to visit me.’
37. “Then the godly people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink?
38. When did we see you with no place to stay and welcome you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear?
39. When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?’
40. “Then the king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you did for any of my people here, you also did for me.’
41. “Then the king will say to the evil people on his left, ‘Get away from me. God has already decided that you will be punished. Go into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels. .
42. You must go away because when I was hungry, you gave me nothing to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me nothing to drink.
43. When I had no place to stay, you did not welcome me into your home. When I was without clothes, you gave me nothing to wear. When I was sick and in prison, you did not care for me.’
44. “Then those people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty? When did we see you without a place to stay? Or when did we see you without clothes or sick or in prison? When did we see any of this and not help you?’
45. “The king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you refused to do for any of my people here, you refused to do for me.’
46 “Then these evil people will go away to be punished forever. But the godly people will go and enjoy eternal life.”. - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 36.

In the above passage, Jesus Christ clearly explained the structure of the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom over which He is King, the Kingdom that is not of this world, the very same Kingdom which only those who are born-again can gain access to. There Jesus Christ admits to being King over Heaven and King over Hell as well both of them in the Kingdom of God where He reigns as judge over all within. He further explains that to have an end in either in Heaven or in Hell requires that one have eternal life, a gift only available to those who are born-again and hence of the Kingdom of God - there is a foreverness associated with life in either of Heaven or of Hell.

So here is a recap of what Jesus Christ in fact taught in His Gospel to all those who will hear Him regarding this here topic.
■ The Kingdom is not of this world and so one has to formally gain access into it through the process of being born-again. What this invariably means that only those who gain access can any of that contained within it, in addition to the gift of eternal life
■ There are two gates into the Kingdom of God and only those who have eternal life and are born-again can enter in through any of those two gates
■ Jesus Christ is the King and judge in the Kingdom of God
■ Jesus Christ rules over Heaven and Hell both of which are found in the Kingdom of God, and none of them hence of this world of ours
■ Those classified as sheep by the King, Jesus Christ, and who will be judged by Jesus Christ in the Kingdom of God all possess eternal life as a result of being born-again, and will be spent in eternal reward as indicated by the King, Jesus Christ.
■ The goats who will be judged by Jesus Christ, the King, in the Kingdom of God also possess eternal life as a result of being born-again, but that eternal life will be spent by them in eternal damnation as indicated by the King, Jesus Christ.
■ Inside of the Kingdom of God - Heaven and Hell - Reward and Damnation both have eternal connotations to them

Kobojunkie:
Carefully examine the Truth of God as revealed by Jesus Christ Himself right there in the 4 Gospels, and tell me what part of His teachings in the passages below seem twisted to you.

A. A man must be born-again in order to gain access to the Kingdom of God

B. In order to gain access into the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ also taught those who would hear Him that there are two gates through which one may choose to enter in through - the Broad Gate which leads to destruction or the Narrow Gate that leads to True Life. Essentially, Jesus Christ taught those who listened that there is a way that seems right since you are born-again through that way as well but at the end of it lays nothing but destruction. C. Jesus Christ urged all those listening to endeavor to enter into the Kingdom of God through the Narrow Gate which leads to True Life because all those who enter into the Broad Gate will be locked out of God's Heaven at the end.
D. To that end, Jesus Christ further explained that the Kingdom, the Kingdom of God, which He is King over is not of the world.

E. Jesus shed more like on the makeup of that Kingdom when He revealed to those listening what is to take place when He returns to judge the world in the end.
In the above passage, Jesus Christ clearly explained the structure of the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom over which He is King, the Kingdom that is not of this world, the very same Kingdom which only those who are born-again can gain access to. There Jesus Christ admits to being King over Heaven and King over Hell as well both of them in the Kingdom of God where He reigns as judge over all within. He further explains that to have an end in either in Heaven or in Hell requires that one have eternal life, a gift only available to those who are born-again and hence of the Kingdom of God - there is a foreverness associated with life in either of Heaven or of Hell.

So here is a recap of what Jesus Christ in fact taught in His Gospel to all those who will hear Him regarding this here topic.
■ The Kingdom is not of this world and so one has to formally gain access into it through the process of being born-again. What this invariably means that only those who gain access can any of that contained within it, in addition to the gift of eternal life
■ There are two gates into the Kingdom of God and only those who have eternal life and are born-again can enter in through any of those two gates
■ Jesus Christ is the King and judge in the Kingdom of God
■ Jesus Christ rules over Heaven and Hell both of which are found in the Kingdom of God, and none of them hence of this world of ours
■ Those classified as sheep by the King, Jesus Christ, and who will be judged by Jesus Christ in the Kingdom of God all possess eternal life as a result of being born-again, and will be spent in eternal reward as indicated by the King, Jesus Christ.
■ The goats who will be judged by Jesus Christ, the King, in the Kingdom of God also possess eternal life as a result of being born-again, but that eternal life will be spent by them in eternal damnation as indicated by the King, Jesus Christ.
■ Inside of the Kingdom of God - Heaven and Hell - Reward and Damnation both have eternal connotations to them

What you saying is unbiblical.

Those who go to Hell do not have eternal life.

Jesus came to give humanity eternal life and only those who accept him would be saved and get the gift of eternal life.

Thoses who do not accept jesus do not have eternal life they would go to Hell and die the 2nd death

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Mark 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

blueAgent:
What you saying is unbiblical. Those who go to Hell do not have eternal life. Jesus came to give humanity eternal life and only those who accept him would be saved and get the gift of eternal life. Thoses who do not accept jesus do not have eternal life they would go to Hell and die the 2nd death....

Stop right there and try to pay attention.

Again, what I presented is what Jesus Christ Himself, the King over Heaven and over Hell, taught His followers over 2000 years ago. Jesus Christ, the King in the Kingdom of God, made it abundantly clear by His everlasting Word that forever is associated with both those who end up in His Heaven and His Hell.

Present your case AGAINST that declared by Jesus Christ Himself, OK?

Here again is the recap of what Jesus Christ, the King of Heaven and Hell - the Kingdom of God - taught to His followers regarding this issue

■ The Kingdom is not of this world and so one has to formally gain access to it through the process of being born-again. What this invariably means that only those who gain access can any of that contained within it, in addition to the gift of eternal life
■ There are two gates into the Kingdom of God and only those who have eternal life and are born-again can enter in through any of those two gates
■ Jesus Christ is the King and judge in the Kingdom of God
■ Jesus Christ rules over Heaven and Hell both of which are found in the Kingdom of God, and none of them hence of this world of ours
■ Those classified as sheep by the King, Jesus Christ, and who will be judged by Jesus Christ in the Kingdom of God all possess eternal life as a result of being born-again, and will be spent in eternal reward as indicated by the King, Jesus Christ.
■ The goats who will be judged by Jesus Christ, the King, in the Kingdom of God also possess eternal life as a result of being born-again, but that eternal life will be spent by them in eternal damnation as indicated by the King, Jesus Christ.
■ Inside of the Kingdom of God - Heaven and Hell - Reward and Damnation both have eternal connotations to them

Where in all of the above did Jesus Christ, the King in the Kingdom of God, get it wrong in the Kingdom of God?

blueAgent:
Mark 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Let me humor you some. The same Jesus Christ who said all these record in these verses you conveniently picked out of context to quote here, also said the following of the Salvation He offers to those who believe in Him will only be given to those who stand faithful - live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments - until the very end.
A.

21 “Brothers will turn against their own brothers and hand them over to be killed. Fathers will hand over their own children to be killed. Children will fight against their own parents and will have them killed.
22 Everyone will hate you because you follow me. But the one who remains faithful to the end will be saved.
23 When you are treated badly in one city, go to another city. I promise you that you will not finish going to all the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes again. - Matthew 10 vs 21 -23

B.

12 There will be so much more evil in the world that the love of most believers will grow cold.
13 But the one who remains faithful to the end will be saved.
14 And the Good News I have shared about God’s kingdom will be told throughout the world. It will be spread to every nation. Then the end will come. - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 14

C.

12 “Brothers will turn against their own brothers and hand them over to be killed. Fathers will hand over their own children to be killed. Children will fight against their own parents and have them killed.
13 All people will hate you because you follow me. But those who remain faithful to the end will be saved. - Mark 13 vs 12 - 13

The thing about being born-again- entering into the Kingdom of God - is there is no exit gate as once you receive that eternal life at the entry gate, it can't be returned - Jesus Christ said, "I have come to save and not to condemn" meaning there is no way to return oneself back to the pre-born-again state. And so what happens all those who do not stand faithfully until the end? They are the one's who Jesus Christ warned, right there in His teachings that will end up dumped forever in eternal damnation.

The Jesus Christ, True Life Himself - ( the Way, the Truth and the Life - John 14 vs 6) that He is in fact the Narrow Gate which leads to True Life that only those who carefully obey His commandments can enter into.

8 All those who came before me were thieves and robbers. The sheep did not listen to them.
9 I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved. They will be able to come in and go out. They will find everything they need. 10 A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came to give life—life that is full and good. - John 10 vs 8 - 10

As you can clearly see, saying you are born-again, is not the same as saying you are saved nor are you guaranteed a place in Heaven as a result.

The thing about the Gospel is as God's Law, it is meant to be taken whole- all-or-nothing. You cannot pick a couple of verses here and there, and then conclude you have it all figured out. No, it is God's Law and most be considered in completeness.

Jesus Christ made clear from the start that being born-again is just the beginning of the journey toward Heaven, and it could also be the beginning towards Hell for those who don't make the cut. So let's read your rebuttal against Jesus Christ here as well.

Kobojunkie:
Let me humor you some. The same Jesus Christ who said all these record in these verses you conveniently picked out of context to quote here, also said the following of the Salvation He offers to those who believe in Him will only be given to those who stand faithful - live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments - until the very end.
A. B. C.
The thing about being born-again- entering into the Kingdom of God - is there is no exit gate as once you receive that eternal life at the entry gate, it can't be returned - Jesus Christ said, "I have come to save and not to condemn" meaning there is no way to return oneself back to the pre-born-again state. And so what happens all those who do not stand faithfully until the end? They are the one's who Jesus Christ warned, right there in His teachings that will end up dumped forever in eternal damnation.

The Jesus Christ, True Life Himself - ( the Way, the Truth and the Life - John 14 vs 6) that He is in fact the Narrow Gate which leads to True Life that only those who carefully obey His commandments can enter into.
As you can clearly see, saying you are born-again, is not the same as saying you are saved nor are you guaranteed a place in Heaven as a result.

The thing about the Gospel is as God's Law, it is meant to be taken whole- all-or-nothing. You cannot pick a couple of verses here and there, and then conclude you have it all figured out. No, it is God's Law and most be considered in completeness.

Jesus Christ made clear from the start that being born-again is just the beginning of the journey toward Heaven, and it could also be the beginning towards Hell for those who don't make the cut. So let's read your rebuttal against Jesus Christ here as well.

Your talking out of point.

Stop teaching from your personal feelings.

Christ never thought eternal hellfire.

You are more intrested in promoting your thoughts them hearing and obeying God's word.

Kobojunkie:
Stop right there and try to pay attention.

Again, what I presented is what Jesus Christ Himself, the King over Heaven and over Hell, taught His followers over 2000 years ago. Jesus Christ, the King in the Kingdom of God, made it abundantly clear by His everlasting Word that forever is associated with both those who end up in His Heaven and His Hell.

Present your case AGAINST that declared by Jesus Christ Himself, OK?

Here again is the recap of what Jesus Christ, the King of Heaven and Hell - the Kingdom of God - taught to His followers regarding this issue

■ The Kingdom is not of this world and so one has to formally gain access to it through the process of being born-again. What this invariably means that only those who gain access can any of that contained within it, in addition to the gift of eternal life
■ There are two gates into the Kingdom of God and only those who have eternal life and are born-again can enter in through any of those two gates
■ Jesus Christ is the King and judge in the Kingdom of God
■ Jesus Christ rules over Heaven and Hell both of which are found in the Kingdom of God, and none of them hence of this world of ours
■ Those classified as sheep by the King, Jesus Christ, and who will be judged by Jesus Christ in the Kingdom of God all possess eternal life as a result of being born-again, and will be spent in eternal reward as indicated by the King, Jesus Christ.
■ The goats who will be judged by Jesus Christ, the King, in the Kingdom of God also possess eternal life as a result of being born-again, but that eternal life will be spent by them in eternal damnation as indicated by the King, Jesus Christ.
■ Inside of the Kingdom of God - Heaven and Hell - Reward and Damnation both have eternal connotations to them

Where in all of the above did Jesus Christ, the King in the Kingdom of God, get it wrong in the Kingdom of God?

I can stop laughing.

I asked you a question would it take you 1000years to answer.

Why is Sodom and Gomorrha and Jerusalem not still burning today?

All this places were burned with eternal fire.

blueAgent:
I can stop laughing. I asked you a question would it take you 1000years to answer.
Why is Sodom and Gomorrha and Jerusalem not still burning today? All this places were burned with eternal fire.

I already responded to that. Clearly, you misconstrued Jude's statement in his comparison of judgment for believers who continue in sin and that which came upon Sodom and Gomorrah. If you had bothered to read the attached from the greek, you would have seen this by now.

blueAgent:
Your talking out of point. Stop teaching from your personal feelings.
Christ never thought eternal hellfire.
You are more intrested in promoting your thoughts them hearing and obeying God's word.

So, what you are invariably saying is that in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, Jesus Christ lied? To you, Jesus Christ is a Liar!

Not a single one of those above is born of my thought since I didn't write any of those passages in scripture, and you have clearly not been able to point out which of the passages was born of my thought. So?

Kobojunkie:
So, what you are invariably saying is that in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, Jesus Christ lied? To you, Jesus Christ is a Liar!

Not a single one of those above is born of my thought since I didn't write any of those passages in scripture, and you have clearly not been able to point out which of the passages was born of my thought. So?

Answer my question.

Secondly what is death and the second death?

blueAgent:
Answer my question.
Secondly what is death and the second death?

I already answered this several times now.

The first Death, as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 applies to all those who do not possess nor have they earned Eternal life at the time of their death - God's judgment for them is as follows From dust, you were made and to dust, you shall return.

The second Death, again also as defined by God in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 applies to those who are of the Kingdom of God all of who possess Eternal life but did not earn salvation as at the time of their death - the judgment that awaits is forever in eternal damnation.

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So, what you are invariably saying is that in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, Jesus Christ lied? To you, Jesus Christ is a Liar!

Kobojunkie:
I already answered this several times now.

The first Death, as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 applies to all those who do not possess Eternal life. They all perish in the grave.

The second Death, again as defined by God in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - applies to those who are of fhe Kingdom of God all of who possess Eternal life, and all those affected spend forever in eternal damnation.

Do you hear yourself?

When did God give some eternal life and others none?

blueAgent:
Do you hear yourself? When did God give some eternal life and others none?

When did God....? Is this a joke?

1. So, are you now also insinuating that God also lied in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24 ...

19 You will work hard for your food, until your face is covered with sweat. You will work hard until the day you die, and then you will become dust again. I used dust to make you, and when you die, you will become dust again.”
20 Adam[c] named his wife Eve.[d] He gave her this name because Eve would be the mother of everyone who ever lived.
21 The Lord God used animal skins and made some clothes for the man and his wife. Then he put the clothes on them.
22 The Lord God said, “Look, the man has become like us—he knows about good and evil. And now the man might take the fruit from the tree of life. If the man eats that fruit, he will live forever.”
23 So the Lord God forced the man out of the Garden of Eden to work the ground he was made from.
24 God forced the man to leave the garden. Then he put Cherub angels and a sword of fire at the entrance to the garden to protect it. The sword flashed around and around, guarding the way to the tree of life. - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24

... and then again in John 3 vs 1 - 21 where Jesus Christ affirmed that no one is born having eternal life, instead only those who are born-again can have it while living?

2. And among other things, you are also suggesting that when God promised Eternal Life only to those who die in righteousness, in His Old Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - that God lied to the Jewish people ... somehow they already had eternal life before God even offered it only to them if they lived and died in righteousness under His Old Law?

3. In addition, when God in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 36 & Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20 where God reiterated that this who sin will die(First Death) and those who do not will have life(Eternal) you mean you instead believe God must have been playing games on the minds of the people?

Kobojunkie:
When did God....? Is this a joke?

1. So, are you now also insinuating that God also lied in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24 ...
... and then again in John 3 vs 1 - 21 where Jesus Christ affirmed that no one is born having eternal life, instead only those who are born-again can have it while living?

2. And among other things, you are also suggesting that when God promised Eternal Life only to those who die in righteousness, in His Old Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - that God lied to the Jewish people ... somehow they already had eternal life before God even offered it only to them if they lived and died in righteousness under His Old Law?

3. In addition, when God in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 36 & Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20 where God reiterated that this who sin will die(First Death) and those who do not will have life(Eternal) you mean you instead believe God must have been playing games on the minds of the people?

You confusing yourself.

Answer my question and stop digressing.

blueAgent:
You confusing yourself.
Answer my question and stop digressing.

I have more than answered every single question you have asked. So, I am left to believe that you are confused as to how to apply what is clearly stated in scripture with that which you have already been indoctrinated into believing and hence the defensive approach that you have been exhibiting for the past page or 2.

Let me know when you are done resolving this confused state of yours. Maybe then you can begin to respond clearly to questions I have asked you regarding your belief where Jesus Christ and God are concerned.

Kobojunkie:
I have more than answered every single question you have asked. So, I am left to believe that you are confused as to how to apply what is clearly stated in scripture with that which you have already been indoctrinated into believing and hence the defensive approach that you have been exhibiting for the past page or 2.

Let me know when you are done resolving this confused state of yours. Maybe then you can begin to respond clearly to questions I have asked you regarding your belief where Jesus Christ and God are concerned.

You are the one who is confused.

The Bible is clear the wages of sin is death.
But the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus.

Stop twisting God's word to suit your false teachings.

Man does not have Immortality inherently, only God and Jesus his son has immortality.


No sinner goes to hell with immortality, stop using the word of God to lie.

Only born again Christians who overcome to the end would receive the gift of immortality.

Instead of you to give me a straight answer to my questions you diverted or dodged to answer them like a politician.


Ppl like you are the cause of all the confusion and false teachings in christainity.

blueAgent:
You are the one who is confused. The Bible is clear the wages of sin is death. But the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus. Stop twisting God's word to suit your false teachings. Man does not have Immortality inherently, only God and Jesus his son has immortality. No sinner goes to hell with immortality, stop using the word of God to lie.

Only born again Christians who overcome to the end would receive the gift of immortality. Instead of you to give me a straight answer to my questions you diverted or dodged to answer them like a politician.Ppl like you are the cause of all the confusion and false teachings in christainity.

ROFLMAO

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

Fake bible teacher.

I hope you know the punishment for twisting God's word?

Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.


Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.

Mark 7:13
thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.

blueAgent:
Fake bible teacher.
I hope you know the punishment for twisting God's word?
Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
Mark 7:13
thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.

ROFLMAO!


Your kind never ceases to amaze!. The moment you are cornered, you begin to quote random verses in an attempt to cover up for that which you obviously lack... understanding of the Truth of the God you claim to know. It's really hilarious to watch you lot run all over the place in your attempt to hide what is your obvious ignorance of the Truth of God, Jesus Christ. What you lot gain from this foolishness is beyond me!

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO!


Your kind never ceases to amaze!. The moment you are cornered, you begin to quote random verses in an attempt to cover up for that which you obviously lack... understanding of the Truth of the God you claim to know. It's really hilarious to watch you lot run all over the place in your attempt to hide what is your obvious ignorance of the Truth of God, Jesus Christ. What you lot gain from this foolishness is beyond me!

Is that why you could not answer simple questions I asked?

False teacher,wannable prophet.

My points are all facts and verifable not some false teachings from a confused wannable pastor.

I hope you know false teachers like you end up in the hottest part of Hell?

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO!


Your kind never ceases to amaze!. The moment you are cornered, you begin to quote random verses in an attempt to cover up for that which you obviously lack... understanding of the Truth of the God you claim to know. It's really hilarious to watch you lot run all over the place in your attempt to hide what is your obvious ignorance of the Truth of God, Jesus Christ. What you lot gain from this foolishness is beyond me!

Imagine what you wrote.

The thing about being born-again- entering into the Kingdom of God - is there is no exit gate as once you receive that eternal life at the entry gate, it can't be returned - Jesus Christ said, "I have come to save and not to condemn" meaning there is no way to return oneself back to the pre-born-again state. And so what happens all those who do not stand faithfully until the end? They are the one's who Jesus Christ warned, right there in His teachings that will end up dumped forever in eternal damnation.

Am beginning to think you have mental problem.

Which Bible verse says one cannot return to pre-born again?

You always do the works of your father the devil he has be lieing since the beginning of this world.

blueAgent:
Is that why you could not answer simple questions I asked?False teacher,wannable prophet.My points are all facts and verifable not some false teachings from a confused wannable pastor.I hope you know false teachers like you end up in the hottest part of Hell?

I clearly responded to every single question you asked using the very Words of Jesus Christ too but since what He stayed conflicts with your current delusion, you just couldn't get yourself fo accept the Words of Jesus Christ, could you?

Here I am watching you run around trying to avoid embracing the very Words of Jesus Christ Himself all because you would rather hold on to the doctrines and traditions of men, lies which Jesus Christ warned you were of deceit and of delusion- antiChrist- Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

What is even more hilarious is that you conveniently lifted only a verse here and there to lob at me when the very message in the context from which you lifted the random verses clearly indicste you are wrong in your delusion.

ROFLMAO