Westerhoffe:


You can't curse my Father and GOD because He's far above harm's way.
My grandfather is late.

Your father, your late grandfather and your inexistent god

Wagwanbrethren:

Good. What then is the essence of praying and asking God to interceed when it's clearly human affair? 🤷‍♂️

Impotent god

Ofemmanu1:


This is unnecessary..

If you follow me talk this thing face to face.
I fit arrange boys make them run you level, I swr 😠

Westerhoffe:



Even you too, your comments shows you're useless.

Was it GOD that asks Ukraine and Russia to go to war?
Was it GOD sending weapons to Ukraine?
Was it GOD that told Putin to continue the bombing?
Was it GOD who told the US to breach their ally expansion to the borders of Russia?
Was it GOD that told them to kill each other?
Was it GOD who told them not to engage in peace talks before and during the time the whole battle rage on?


GOD will not always interfere in the activities of men… OK?
GOD has laid down His principles.
It's up to you to take or reject them, but know that you will account for your choice at the end.

Now,when you create something, you have a responsibility to it. You are responsible for its well-being, for its safety, and for its future. So, when your God created humans, and he know that they are going to war and kill each other, he's responsible for that.

You created them, knowing what was going to happen, and you did nothing to stop it. You could have, but you didn't. You let them kill each other, and you let them suffer. You are to blame for all the war and suffering that has happened in the world, because you created them and knew what was going to happen.

Westerhoffe:



Even you too, your comments shows you're useless.

Was it GOD that asks Ukraine and Russia to go to war?
Was it GOD sending weapons to Ukraine?
Was it GOD that told Putin to continue the bombing?
Was it GOD who told the US to breach their ally expansion to the borders of Russia?
Was it GOD that told them to kill each other?
Was it GOD who told them not to engage in peace talks before and during the time the whole battle rage on?


GOD will not always interfere in the activities of men… OK?
GOD has laid down His principles.
It's up to you to take or reject them, but know that you will account for your choice at the end.

Plus, if you don't want to blame God for the bad things, why then do you attribute all good to him? 🤔

If you say it's man affair and he's not responsible. Then if someone recovers from an illness, or accident then it's also man's affair and no need to thank God for that!🤷‍♂️

FRANCISTOWN:

Nobody should even love god in this generation.
Anyone who loves god is either sick or is yet to see the uselessness of god.
If god is truly useful, then people will love it. People don't love god because it's not useful to them. Nobody keeps useless things.

I understand you perfectly in fact i've been in your shoes before the only difference is i never reacted this way but it's OK since you're speaking out because many can't manage it anymore that's why they've turned to lunatics in our streets talking to themselves.
So calm down you're not alone in this!

FRANCISTOWN:

There is nothing new under the sun. All those things you mentioned in the Timothy were already happening when the bible was written, so it was not a prophecy. Perhaps when is Jesus coming. Even if it was riding on tortoise's back, it should be here by now

This is what we were discussing in the other thread. When in the history of man on this planet has a global family of peace loving worshipers sufficed settling their disparities peacefully among themselves, diverting their resources into the production of food and information materials, erasing the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vowing never to raise weapons against their fellowman?
So i know for sure that all the things Paul told Timothy has been happening in times past but never has there been a time on this planet when people from different races throughout the world used a book to resolve issues among themselves just as the Bible perfectly predicted.
That's why i told you that when they are doing this fine WORKS billions around them will still be adding fuel to the burning fire! Matthew 24:7-14

Wagwanbrethren:

Plus, if you don't want to blame God for the bad things, why then do you attribute all good to him? 🤔

If you say it's man affair and he's not responsible. Then if someone recovers from an illness, or accident then it's also man's affair and no need to thank God for that!🤷‍♂️

You don't know GOD.
You've taken your stand already. But I want you to know that:
GOD is good.
GOD is awesome.
GOD is excellent.
GOD is magnificent.
GOD is all Superior.
GOD is Most Beneficient.
GOD is Life.

We that know GOD, seen Him in action, witnessed and experienced Him and have encounter with Him knows how and who GOD is.

Your view is all because you are very far from GOD. You have no relationship with GOD, hence you don't have any understanding about Him.

But break your stone heart.
Humble yourself.
Develop a personal relationship with Him.
Seek GOD and you will see that GOD is good.

Wagwanbrethren:

Now,when you create something, you have a responsibility to it. You are responsible for its well-being, for its safety, and for its future. So, when your God created humans, and he know that they are going to war and kill each other, he's responsible for that.

You created them, knowing what was going to happen, and you did nothing to stop it. You could have, but you didn't. You let them kill each other, and you let them suffer. You are to blame for all the war and suffering that has happened in the world, because you created them and knew what was going to happen.

Remember, He also came, and He tasted death too?
Do you know if He has not been keeping His creations, they would have returned back to non-existence?

So, purge your heart of all hatred for GOD, then you will see things from a different perspective when you have a relationship with GOD.

FRANCISTOWN:

Your father, your late grandfather and your inexistent god

Oh!
I know your type…
Them of Psalms 14:1

Wagwanbrethren:

Good. What then is the essence of praying and asking God to interceed when it's clearly human affair? 🤷‍♂️

Because He is the most capable to intervene.

Westerhoffe:


Remember, He also came, and He tasted death too?
Do you know if He has not been keeping His creations, they would have returned back to non-existence?

So, purge your heart of all hatred for GOD, then you will see things from a different perspective when you have a relationship with GOD.

Sir, you didn't answer my question! 😭

Wagwanbrethren:

Sir, you didn't answer my question! 😭

That, is your answer.

Westerhoffe:


Because He is the most capable to intervene.

Why can't he intervene in the war going on?🤷‍♂️

Wagwanbrethren:

Why can't he intervene in the war going on?🤷‍♂️

Because some things are bound to happen… He has foretold about such before.

Westerhoffe:


Because some things are bound to happen… He has foretold about such before.

But you just said he's the most capable to intervene? 🤷‍♂️
If some things are bound to happen like you said, then what then is the essence of prayers, or are you trying to change things bound to happen?

So you mean God didn't interfere in the Holocaust because it was bound to happen?
He watched while it happened when he could have helped them. Dude, that makes him an accomplice. Will you watch a little kid raped when you could help? 🤷‍♂️

Who made it bound to happen? 🤷‍♂️

Truthfully speaking the way God responds when called upon in the Bible and now are two different things.
One pastor said the jackal has need cut off. Now same jackal is our president.
The thing just get as e be

MaxInDHouse:


Must it come to this?
Nah wah o!

It's better you ignore him to what he WANTS to believe

Aemmyjah:

It's better you ignore him to what he WANTS to believe

With such a person all you need is patience.
This are the same people we go to meet in their homes so it doesn't cost you anything to calmly address his aggression after all he can't hit nor bite me on Nairaland.

Wagwanbrethren:

Plus, if you don't want to blame God for the bad things, why then do you attribute all good to him? 🤔

You are intelligent.
Whoever is responsible for all the praises should also be responsible for all the blames.
That's common sense

Wagwanbrethren:

If you say it's man affair and he's not responsible. Then if someone recovers from an illness, or accident then it's also man's affair and no need to thank God for that!🤷‍♂️

Q.E.D your sense is too much

Wagwanbrethren:

But you just said he's the most capable to intervene? 🤷‍♂️
If some things are bound to happen like you said, then what then is the essence of prayers, or are you trying to change things bound to happen?

So you mean God didn't interfere in the Holocaust because it was bound to happen?
He watched while it happened when he could have helped them. Dude, that makes him an accomplice. Will you watch a little kid raped when you could help? 🤷‍♂️

Who made it bound to happen? 🤷‍♂️

Prayers are to ask GOD'S intervention.
Even if it's bound to happen, at times, due to the prayers of the saints, there is nothing that GOD cannot do.

You ain't making any sense to me though because you ain't understanding any of these.

If you know GOD, you would have understood all these.

MaxInDHouse:

I understand you perfectly in fact i've been in your shoes before the only difference is i never reacted this way but it's OK since you're speaking out because many can't manage it anymore that's why they've turned to lunatics in our streets talking to themselves.
So calm down you're not alone in this!

I don't get. I'm not pained. I didn't become an atheist this year.
I've been an atheist for a very long time. Okay!
I'm just worried for the life an average Nigerian is living.
I'm living comfortable well enough, thanks to hard work

MaxInDHouse:

This is what we were discussing in the other thread. When in the history of man on this planet has a global family of peace loving worshipers sufficed settling their disparities peacefully among themselves, diverting their resources into the production of food and information materials, erasing the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vowing never to raise weapons against their fellowman?
So i know for sure that all the things Paul told Timothy has been happening in times past but never has there been a time on this planet when people from different races throughout the world used a book to resolve issues among themselves just as the Bible perfectly predicted.
That's why i told you that when they are doing this fine WORKS billions around them will still be adding fuel to the burning fire! Matthew 24:7-14

I'm sorry, I do not get

DonBenny77:
Truthfully speaking the way God responds when called upon in the Bible and now are two different things.
One pastor said the jackal has need cut off. Now same jackal is our president.
The thing just get as e be

The reason is because , the god of the Bible is a fairy. Real life God is inexistent

Westerhoffe:



Prayers are to ask GOD'S intervention.
Even if it's bound to happen, at times, due to the prayers of the saints, there is nothing that GOD cannot do.

You ain't making any sense to me though because you ain't understanding any of these.

If you know GOD, you would have understood all these.

This one say I'm not making any sense. Baba read the way you keep contradicting yourself! 🤣

How will you know what's bound and not bound to happen? If your prayer can't change what's bound to happen, then I see no need for the prayers.
Tell my why your useless God can listen to the prayers of the saints in Ukraine, or is that bound to happen. If yes, then your prayers is useless.

If your God is the most capable to intervene in things, and you pray to him yet you tell me things are bound to happen and your prayers can't change them, then that makes your God, prayers useless.

FRANCISTOWN:

I don't get. I'm not pained. I didn't become an atheist this year.
I've been an atheist for a very long time. Okay!
I'm just worried for the life an average Nigerian is living.
I'm living comfortable well enough, thanks to hard work

If you're not pained then you should know that each person has the right to choose whatever he or she will do with his life whether there's a God somewhere or not. Where the problem lies is getting involved in heated arguments over what is affecting everyone, you can see how both of you have been exchanging words simply because the other person thinks there is God while you don't.

FRANCISTOWN:

I'm sorry, I do not get

For thousands of years people's attitude that's leading to what Paul told Timothy has not changed so those things aren't new.
So what is the import of Paul's message?
Christianity was just few decades old at the time Paul wrote that letter so only few people were claiming Christians and this few were being vilified day after day therefore it seems the religion will soon go extinct after the death of the apostles. But then after sometimes when people began making choices regarding religion some will come back to what is written in the Bible but this time they will choose what suits them and teachers to teach them what they want {2Timothy 4:3-4} it's that time Paul is talking about because many claiming Christians will also be part of those making life uneasy for mankind! 2Timothy 3:1-4

So Paul is saying we shouldn't associate with such religionists even though they're claiming Christians! 2Timothy 3:5

Wagwanbrethren:

Plus, if you don't want to blame God for the bad things, why then do you attribute all good to him? If you say it's man affair and he's not responsible. Then if someone recovers from an illness, or accident then it's also man's affair and no need to thank God for that!

You're really intelligent but wisdom is the best!

Ologundudu2020:

What type of spiritual? And is everybody destined to be attack by such spiritual people ?

FRANCISTOWN:

I've had a near death sickness experience and I didn't call on anyone.
Funny enough I didn't even take any drugs, yet I recovered like I was lying

These types of spiritual attacks. Check out the thread and come give us your comment:

https://www.nairaland.com/5252047/cultism-spiritual-consequences-deliverance-through

Wagwanbrethren:

This one say I'm not making any sense. Baba read the way you keep contradicting yourself! 🤣

How will you know what's bound and not bound to happen? If your prayer can't change what's bound to happen, then I see no need for the prayers.
Tell my why your useless God can listen to the prayers of the saints in Ukraine, or is that bound to happen. If yes, then your prayers is useless.

If your God is the most capable to intervene in things, and you pray to him yet you tell me things are bound to happen and your prayers can't change them, then that makes your God, prayers useless.

I'm not contradicting myself!
This is just too deep and mysterious for to those who do not understand who we are talking about when we mention the term, GOD.

PoliteActivist:
When you have spiritual attack, or when you face something beyond you, or even beyond your understanding, who do you call upon??

God has already kicked him aside so how can he know the value of God?

Pikin wey no get papa no fit no d value of papa.

Wagwanbrethren:

Which Kain useless talk be this one na! 🤮
Why must it be your God? Anyone can easily attach my survival to anything. Why must it be your God? ...

When your phone or car spoil how you want take repair am without the support of the god of your phone and car?

That is why I love death, because it is a clear proof that God no repair the person.