Kobojunkie:
So what you are trying to say is that the God of israel who inisisted that men do their belief stictly by His standard(Holiness) was mistaken in his expectations?

The God of Israel said He will have nothing short of strict obedience to His Law and standard by each and every man who desires citizenship in the Kingdom of God. You dey talk religion and denomination as though any of that has power to bend God's established Law. Na wa oo!

But this is what we're discussing isn't it?

People have founded denominations against God's will. And want to pass them off as God's will.

Others have studied the word of God and have seen the lie in that position. And want to follow God's leading.

Which part of this is confusing

Straybullet:


Honestly I appreciate this comment of yours; this is what I want disagree with intelligent arguments and others will learn.

Thanks for your civillity.

Now, my view is that these denominations are not of God.
But we know that God can and does use anything, Good or bad.

That's a different matter though.

We're talking here about what can be called God's group, or family or people.

Their mandate is wider than just being used by God .

The church is Jerusalem that is above, that is the mother if us all.

The church is the magisterium of God on the earth.

In the church there is no one lost, outside the church there is no one saved.

The church is approved of God, babylon is not

In that context, the denominations are as different from The church as an amadioha shrine .

This distinction is what makes me wary of these groups.

I like your exalted view of the church and this is certainly the position of the NT.

I used to say what passes for church on Sunday is at best a public crusade. I think people mistake the crowds following Jesus for his disciples.

The challenge is we have a low entry bar for church and the level of fellowship/collectiveness is also low - because we are bargaining and negotiating with the flesh. It should be high bar, high fellowship/collective.

I suggest however that restoration not focus on sounding a clarion call to the world but first building the model that others can be invited into. God will bring those in whom he is working and add them to his kingdom himself.

BreconHills:


I like your exalted view of the church and this is certainly the position of the NT.

I used to say what passes for church on Sunday is at best a public crusade. I think people mistake the crowds following Jesus for his disciples.

The challenge is we have a low entry bar for church and the level of fellowship/collectiveness is also low - because we are bargaining and negotiating with the flesh. It should be high bar, high fellowship/collective.

[/b]I suggest however that restoration not focus on sounding a clarion call to the world but first building the model that others can be invited into. God will bring those in whom he is working and add them to his kingdom himself.[b]

I don't understand this

Straybullet:


Your emotion is so loud, I can't hear your logic.

That being said, every human orchestrated gathering in the name of christ is a denomination and not the true church.

Jesus did not start a religion.

There is however the true church of Christ on the earth

Can we identify the true church? If yes how?

Michael547:

Can we identify the true church? If yes how?

We can.

If we are saved we certainly can.

If we are not saved we may not be able to do that.

The true church is not an organization, it is the congregation of the tabernacle.

Recall the tabernacle of the congregation?

In hebrew ....elel moed...

The church is the moed.

In isaiah 33.20 zion is referred to as the city of our moed .

The church is the elect in moed .

Many things to say here but i don't know where to start. Or how.

Straybullet:


We can.

If we are saved we certainly can.

If we are not saved we may not be able to do that.

The true church is not an organization, it is the congregation of the tabernacle.

Recall the tabernacle of the congregation?

In hebrew ....elel moed...

The church is the moed.

In isaiah 33.20 zion is referred to as the city of our moed .

The church is the elect in moed .

Many things to say here but i don't know where to start. Or how.

So you have certainly not seen the true church all your life and gone there? So therefore, is it something probably on your mind and not in reality?

Michael547:

So you have certainly not seen the true church all your life and gone there? So therefore, is it something probably on your mind and not in reality?

I have been there many times.

Jesus counselled the woman at the well against thinking of a place for worship.

My dear the church is not a place, it is a divine assembly.

It is a dimension.

Straybullet:


I have been there many times.

Jesus counselled the woman at the well against thinking of a place for worship.

My dear the church is not a place, it is a divine assembly.

It is a dimension.

Where is the dimension oga so that i can join you there physically? Do you know anyone else who is also in that dimension so that we can worship God together?
Or did Jesus say we can never worship God physically together?

Michael547:

Where is the dimension oga so that i can join you there physically? Do you know anyone else who is also in that dimension so that we can worship God together?
Or did Jesus say we can never worship God physically together?

Hmmm....

Unto the Lord shall the gathering of his people be.

When you hear the trumpet blast, then gather at the tabernacle of the congregation.

Those who don't get the summons can't go there.

The church us spiritual not physical.

Peace

Straybullet:
■ But this is what we're discussing isn't it? People have founded denominations against God's will. And want to pass them off as God's will. Others have studied the word of God and have seen the lie in that position. And want to follow God's leading. Which part of this is confusing

You are not making any sense! God of Israel, and His Son, Jesus Christ, disavowed the religion of men and their many doctrines and traditions from even before the major religions you know of today showed up on the scene. Jesus Christ said anyone who stands with religion stands against Him — antiChrist. But here you are whining about how it is not religion but denominations that Jesus Christ is against. Are you for real?

Why would a Holy God use that which is unholy to bolster His Name? Why would a God faithful to His Covenant give support to that which directly violates His Covenant? Wouldn't that then mean God is unfaithful? Religion is AntiChrist, that is what Jesus Christ made clear in His Gospel, and so Jesus Christ cannot and will not use that which is against Him for the sake of His Holiness. You wish to believe He would because your gods of men have told you that lie to placate you in your unholiness but no, God does not change His mind at all.

Kobojunkie:
You are not making any sense! God of Israel, and His Son, Jesus Christ, disavowed the religion of men and their many doctrines and traditions from even before the major religions you know of today showed up on the scene. Jesus Christ said anyone who stands with religion stands against Him — antiChrist. But here you are whining about how it is not religion but denominations that Jesus Christ is against. Are you for real?

Why would a Holy God use that which is unholy to bolster His Name? Why would a God faithful to His Covenant give support to that which directly violates His Covenant? Wouldn't that then mean God is unfaithful? Religion is AntiChrist, that is what Jesus Christ made clear in His Gospel, and so Jesus Christ cannot and will not use that which is against Him for the sake of His Holiness. You wish to believe He would because your gods of men have told you that lie to placate you in your unholiness but no, God does not change His mind at all.

Of course religion is evil.

But I'm not writing about religion.

You can do that.

I'm writing against the peculiar manifestation of religion amongst christ believing people...denominationalism / institutionalism

So calm downnnnnnnnnnnnn

Straybullet:
■ Of course religion is evil. But I'm not writing about religion. You can do that. I'm writing against the peculiar manifestation of religion amongst christ believing people...denominationalism / institutionalism So calm downnnnnnnnnnnnn

You are joking, right?

This kain cognitive dissonance get as e be.

Kobojunkie:
You are joking, right?

This kain cognitive dissonance get as e be.

Who is joking with you?

Point out the cognitive dissonance

You don't believe a person can believe in Jesus in a non religious way??

Straybullet:
■ Who is joking with you? Point out the cognitive dissonance. You don't believe a person can believe in Jesus in a non religious way??

Do denominations exist outside of religious circles? Can the yoke of an egg exist and form well outside of the egg that contains it?

Kobojunkie:
Do denominations exist outside of religious circles? Can the yoke of an egg exist and form well outside of the egg that contains it?

This guy...what is the confusion about

Denominated part of religion.

In this case, I'm addressing denominations of christening...the religious part of christ believing people

What's the matter

Straybullet:
■ This guy...what is the confusion about. Denominated part of religion.
In this case, I'm addressing denominations of christening...the religious part of christ believing people. What's the matter

You are still not making sense.

Jesus Christ distanced Himself from religion as a whole proclaiming that those who have religion are against Him— antiChrist. How then do you resolve what you have stated above with that which is of Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
You are still not making sense.

Jesus Christ distanced Himself from religion as a whole proclaiming that those who have religion are against Him— antiChrist. How then do you resolve what you have stated above with that which is of Jesus Christ?

English cannot be too hard nah....

Religion is bad.

Religion about christ is bad.

Those using christ to practice Religion are denominations.

Wetin you no understand

Straybullet:
English cannot be too hard nah.... Religion is bad. Religion about christ is bad. Those using christ to practice Religion are denominations Wetin you no understand

OK.. today is Saturday abeg!

Kobojunkie:
OK.. today is Saturday abeg!

Better oo

Straybullet:


Hmmm....

Unto the Lord shall the gathering of his people be.

When you hear the trumpet blast, then gather at the tabernacle of the congregation.

Those who don't get the summons can't go there.

The church us spiritual not physical.

Peace

Lol....so where is the spiritual place where we are to gather? Did you not just quote that we are to gather at the tabernacle?
Where is this spiritual place? Is it in heaven or where?

Michael547:

Lol....so where is the spiritual place where we are to gather? Did you not just quote that we are to gather at the tabernacle?
Where is this spiritual place? Is it in heaven or where?

Tabernacle was in the old testament oga

In John 4, Jesus said you don't need a physical place for worship....ogaaaaaa

Thinking of a venue for worship is against the teaching of Christ


Worship under the new testament of Jesus Christ does not need a venue

John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Straybullet:


Tabernacle was in the old testament oga

In John 4, Jesus said you don't need a physical place for worship....ogaaaaaa

So how are we going to meet and worship God together? Or did Jesus say we would never worship God together? Did his followers not unite and Worship God together? Do you know anyone today who worship like you do?

Michael547:

So how are we going to meet and worship God together? Or did Jesus say we would never worship God together? Did his followers not unite and Worship God together? Do you know anyone today who worship like you do?

All true worship is in spirit.
That is what Jesus said.

Worship of God if not in spirit is not to God.

This is the reason why this subject must be studied carefully

All the elect of God are summoned into this worship by God himself.

This is the way God's people worship him

Straybullet:


All true worship is in spirit.
That is what Jesus said.

Worship of God if not in spirit is not to God.

This is the reason why this subject must be studied carefully

All the elect of God are summoned into this worship by God himself.

This is the way God's people worship him

So how do you worship in spirit? Do you know anyone else that worship God like you do? Can I join you so that we worship together in spirit? Or is meeting or knowing a fellow worshipper of God a sin?

THE CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST.

Michael547:

So how do you worship in spirit? Do you know anyone else that worship God like you do? Can I join you so that we worship together in spirit? Or is meeting or knowing a fellow worshipper of God a sin?

Our fellowship is with the Father and with his son Jesus christ. 1 John 1.

When you come to the father, there you see all those who have come to the father.

No man knows the son but the father .

Straybullet:


Our fellowship is with the Father and with his son Jesus christ. 1 John 1.

When you come to the father, there you see all those who have come to the father.

No man knows the son but the father .

So you have never met a fellow human worshipper like you? Oga how do you even know whether you are not the only one worshipping God out of 8 billion people on earth since you have never met your fellow worshipper?

Michael547:

So you have never met a fellow human worshipper like you? Oga how do you even know whether you are not the only one worshipping God out of 8 billion people on earth since you have never met your fellow worshipper?

No man knows the son except the father...bible


The Lord knows them that are his...bible

God will lead his sons to other humans in the line of their duty of worship to him

Their relationship with those humans is as dictated by God, and has nothing to do with whether they are fellow worshippers or not

As the bible says...know no man after the flesh

So God in your spiritual worship will definitely lead you to fellow human beings, but you can never know whether they are truly saints or not...it is not in your place to know.

God can lead you to interface with them in spiritual things, and after his leading is over, the interface stops...you may relate humanly with them, but all spiritual interface only follows the leading of God.

Only the one who has the book of life knows those written therein

your worship does not depend on any other human being or fellow worshipper, worship is personal between a soul and his God.


Finally there are numerous saints of God in the true church

Straybullet:


No man knows the son except the father...bible


The Lord knows them that are his...bible

God will lead his sons to other humans in the line of their duty of worship to him

Their relationship with those humans is as dictated by God, and has nothing to do with whether they are fellow worshippers or not

As the bible says...know no man after the flesh

So God in your spiritual worship will definitely lead you to fellow human beings, but you can never know whether they are truly saints or not...it is not in your place to know.

God can lead you to interface with them in spiritual things, and after his leading is over, the interface stops...you may relate humanly with them, but all spiritual interface only follows the leading of God.

Only the one who has the book of life knows those written therein

your worship does not depend on any other human being or fellow worshipper, worship is personal between a soul and his God.


Finally there are numerous saints of God in the true church

Oga have God led you to your fellow human beings that have been worshipping him? If yes, who are they? How are we as Jesus disciples suppose to love each other according to John 13:34 if we don't know ourselves?

Michael547:

Oga have God led you to your fellow human beings that have been worshipping him? If yes, who are they? How are we as Jesus disciples suppose to love each other according to John 13:34 if we don't know ourselves?

You are to love all men! ...bible

Love your neighbour...bible

You can never know who is truly saved...NEVER...that knowledge belongs
only to God.

Of course you can know those who SAY they believe in Jesus, and can relate with them on that basis, but that is totally different from knowing those who are saved.

Straybullet:


You are to love all men! ...bible

Love your neighbour...bible

You can never know who is truly saved...NEVER...that knowledge belongs
only to God.

Of course you can know those who SAY they believe in Jesus, and can relate with them on that basis, but that is totally different from knowing those who are saved.

So why can't I meet and worship with those who believe in Jesus? You have not told me about anyone that you've met that worship God the way you do. You seem to be in isolation. Have you found those that worship God and believe in Jesus? If yes who are they? Stop beating around the bush.