MaxInDHouse:


JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the only church of Christ if you need scriptural backing i will provide it so if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses i'm sorry for you!

Kobojunkie:
LOL.... that ain't it at all. Religion in and of itself is against God, Jesus Christ. To find Jesus Christ, not only must you distance yourself from religion, you must also do so following the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, teachings that do not even conform to any of what you have learned or heard from the mouth of your religious leaders to date.

When Jesus Christ cast woes on all those who would turn to religion using His name, He wasn't just doing so against Judaism but against every other system that would come associating His name with such wickedness. Your so-called church fathers and religious leaders openly admit that the religion of Christianity which they follow was modeled after Judaism, do they not? Since Jesus Christ reigned curses on Judaism, what do you think He would do to Christianity if not the very same?

newbornmacho:


Which church of christ? The one founded by Thomas Campbell and his son Alexander in America in the 19th century?

MaxInDHouse:
What did Jesus teach?

Any church not practicing it are on their own!

"You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines". Matthew 15:7-9

Catholics that are always killing their own fellow Catholics due to politics and racism when Jesus COMMANDED that his disciples must have love among themselves! John 13:34-35

Funny religionists!

BreconHills:
▶ I am not so quick to cast off church even though I am a member of a small non denominational house church - any form or structure can become religious even if it starts out law and doctrine free. I may not believe in the "church" system but I do believe that just like in the temple of old, there are sincere seekers in every structure and in every place - even a bar or clu .
▶ Now when it comes to who I fellowship and do life with then I will not be unequally yoked but I try to bear in mind that Jesus did not come for those who were well, he came for sinners. Outreach and fellowship in my mind are two quite different things.

newbornmacho:
You will not see the religious my church said, my papa said people here.

This is the whole truth

Denominations are not of God

achorladey:


Self defense is a right thing to do in the world of Jehovah's Witnesses. When Catholics self defense from aggression from another Catholic is it a right thing to do.


When a Jehovah's Witnesses Ms or elder wants to molest a fellow member and that fellow member use weapons available for self defense is it a right thing to do?


The madness and insanities peddling brains will run away

Double face people the very thing they accuse others is what they do. Always projecting your failures on others just to look good.

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus confirmed that God revealed him to Peter! Matthew 16:17

So Peter was confused due to anxiety just as he denied Jesus three times and also denied his fellow believers in Paul's presence that's imperfect!

Michael547:

Let's agree Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong.
Is there any true religion today?

Let's agree Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong

Is there any true religion today?

achorladey:


Fine



Their ways and mode of operations since their existence are enough evidence that can be referenced repeatedly in their own publications. Your wrong will mean not true but equally false like others they love to point fingers at.



Do you not know? Have you not heard? What The Everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth as captured in your Bible says about pure religion with just one bible verse? Have you not? Do I have to tell start favouring one religious organization set up by men against the other for you to know the true religion?

Michael547:

I am still waiting for your answer

Kobojunkie:
What makes you think your church system is even remotely similar to the Temple system of Old? What gives you that idea? The fact that your religious leaders compare your churches to the Temple or what?

2. I don't quite follow what you mean. Who exactly do you think the sinners whom Jesus Christ said He came for are?

According to Jesus Christ, His Father sent Him only to the Lost sheep of Israel — the sinners of Israel condemned to the curse of Death by the God of Israel. They are the ones who are the sinners Jesus Christ was sent to. Additionally, Jesus Christ warned His followers not to give that which is Holy to the dogs(non-Israelites) - Matthew 7 vs 6 -making it abundantly clear that non-Israelites have nothing to do with the Kingdom of God.

Given this, who do you "fellowship" or do "outreach" with? People whom Jesus Christ said have nothing to do with Him? Or people who you are in fact certain are of the blood of Jacob, which?

Michael547:

I am still waiting for your answer

BreconHills:
■ It is not my practice to take anything away from God's honour by arguing scripture in public. I realize it is contemporary but I am restrained by 2 Tim 2:14
■ I do want to ask a question though. Did the scriptures not say that believers are grafted into Abraham by faith? Romans 11:17-32 That the gentiles are the wild olive and Israel is the natural olive. Does it not say that by this God had created one new man having a polished the dividing line or enmity between them through Christ? Ephesians 2:15?
■ Your answers will determine if there is a basis for continuing this discussion privately. I look forward to your answer.

Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting! So, Paul, not Jesus Christ, is the one whose commands or views you live by? Yet, Jesus Christ made clear that those who belong to Him listen only to Him. Was Paul trying to turn against Jesus Christ?

2. No, Scripture never did say you are grafted by faith to Abraham. Even if we are to pretend that it did, here is the problem, Jesus Christ said that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel - The children of Jacob; they are the ones Jesus Christ came to save from God's curse of sin in Deuteronomy 28 vs 12 - 56 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 - 44.. And Abraham was not a child of Jacob but rather a progenitor of Jacob. So it does not matter whether you assume that what Paul said meant you were grafted to Abraham or not, so long as you are not of the blood of Jacob Himself, you cannot have Jesus Christ.

Additionally, what is written in Scripture is that the life of a man is in his blood. To be of Israel — Jacob— one has to have the literal blood of Jacob running through his or her veins. Paul knew this and could not have made a claim contrary to that which was spoken by God Himself.

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Recall, that God Himself spoke from Heaven calling on His people to obey Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the only standard those who belong to Him are meant to listen to and obey. This is what God Himself said should be so. So, I am surprised you are quoting Paul at me as if to suggest that Paul, not Jesus Christ, is the one who is instead God over you. And worse, you misconstrue the words of Paul as is. But in all, wouldn't it make more sense to abandon Jesus Christ altogether to follow these interpretations you have of the statements made by God?

Aemmyjah:



You will watch him climb mount everest and dive across the pacific ocean
After wailing, he won't answer that simple question
Let him keep making a ridicule of himself

Straybullet:

So simply because Peter was anxious Jesus said to him get thee behind me satsn in matthew 16

MaxInDHouse:


That is teaching!

Jesus said his father spoke through Peter and few minutes later the same Jesus said Satan spoke through the same Peter.

Lesson learned!

All imperfect humans could be used by both God's holy spirit and evil spirit so we have to be watchful of our utterances. Psalms 19:14

That no human knew God's Son after Jesus has taught them is unscriptural the only way to know the truth is learning directly from Jesus and that's what Peter with his friends did for years leaving their families behind.


What you should have asked is the meaning of Jesus' statement.


It simply means no human can know the truth unless God draws the person to Jesus {John 6:44} and he will teach the person after accepting Jesus' teachings there is no doubt that such a person knew God's Son.

So stop spewing gibberish!

MaxInDHouse:


Biblical doctrine bawo?

If they both believe in the same leader won't there be a time they must meet together to deliberate on their leaders plans? Hebrews 10:24-25

Please don't insult them because they want to dodge claiming it's all insult!

Straybullet:


You're the one spewing gibberish promax.

You are clearly not paying attention as you read.

Jesus spoke directly to 2 personalities, first he spoke to Peter addressing him ...you are Peter and I day unto you.

Then he addressed satan , a personality, ...get thee behind me satan.

Jesus cannot call his own satan.


Clearly there was a discernment of personalities going on.

This is crucial in understanding that you cannot take an individual as a monolithic representation of say salvation.

You cannot take the Peter you see as a saved person and then absorb everything you see them do.

The real saved Peter, son of God, can be manifest momentarily and then not manifest in a moment.

This is why you cannot know the son, the father alone by energising a momentary manifestation of sonship gives you the knowledge of an extant sonship relationship .

Listen that which is born of the flesh is flesh.

The christisn man you see was born ofnthe flesh and is flesh till death.

The spirit is what is born of the spirit.

The spirit is manifest as the wind blowers, you cannot predict him.

So your Christian fellow you see is not the spiritual man that is born of the spirit.

It is the spirit within that isnborn of spirit.

What you see is born of flesh and is flesh.


That precludes your ability to know the son.

But the father by his revelation ministry , can flare up the spirit of sonship in a context that you can relate with.

What you relate with is the spirit of sonship as in Romans 8.

Yet you cannot localise the spirit of sonship to a particular individual because God can use even a donkey to speak.

So you are advised by Paul to judge nothing until the time of the end...then we shall know even as we are known.

Your pastor needs to tell us what he has been teaching you...

Straybullet:

Jesus cannot call his own satan.

Aemmyjah:


So Peter had 2 personalities?
Like Kobojunkie
You're very confused

Straybullet:

😆 😂 😆
That which is born of the flesh is flesh....Jesus
The flesh profiteth nothing...Jesus
That which is born of the spirit is spirit...
The wind blows where it listen...so is every one born ofnthe spirit...Jesus
Bros....are you sure you believe Jesus Christ?
How can two of you flesh and body humans meeting become relevant, when the flesh profits nothing?
You go explain tire ooo

MaxInDHouse:



But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.” Matthew 16:23

So Peter is not Christ's own!

MaxInDHouse:


So according to your interpretation Peter and his fellow disciples meet in the flesh in order to recognize themselves the don't believe in Christ!

Straybullet:


Try and be quoting bible small nah...abi you be pagan? 😄

Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.




Should I quote more scriptures of the dual personalities in man?

Aemmyjah:



Satan is a person
Peter is a person
Sin or imperfection is not a person

So rest

Straybullet:

Try and be quoting bible small nah...abi you be pagan? 😄
Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Should I quote more scriptures of the dual personalities in man?

Aemmyjah:



Satan is a person
Peter is a person
Sin or imperfection is not a person

So rest

Straybullet:

Your lack of understanding is doing you in
The flesh is not of God. The flesh of Peter can never be of God.
Go and study your Bible oga
😄

MaxInDHouse:


So imperfection disqualifies the first century Jewish disciples of Christ from being children of God?

Guy you're chatting with the members of the one and only true Christian organization so we will show you that you're not part of the family of faith.

For your information the four gospel accounts is where we read about Jesus' life and ministry but since we are imperfect humans none of us can be perfect like Jesus to do God's will that's why God inspired the writers to pen down the ACT OF APOSTLES these are imperfect humans that we can imitate their faith! Hebrews 13:7

So if you don't belong to any organized group where some will take the lead you're deceiving yourself!