ArQueBusieR:
You know how rap artistes fracture words? Well, it's not acceptable in songwriting. It's obvious you lot listen to lame songs. I should have thought of that earlier. That explains everything.

bottom line is singers are allowed to buy songs written by others but it is not allowed in rap. you can twist it how you like. Let me know the good songs you listen to that I don't know. lol

shymexx: You guys confuse these bubble gum rappers without metaphors and similes with real rap music lol...

Rapper is deeper than that, real hip hop needs know that... Rap is an art form that's scientific...

i agree with you on that and you can also agree that you guys(i mean the rap proponents) also confuse the Poo the likes of Timaya, Wizkid or even Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber do as real music. this argument has no end. nobody will budge because there really is no scientific basis of comparison, we are just airing our preferences here and backing them up with examples. i like your line of reasoning and the arguments you put forth(except when you insult others).
i could also put up a thousand and one videos and documentaries on the great musicians and composers of time immemorial but you would still not budge,so i say every man to his preference!

cowgurl: ArQueBusieR, howdy?

I'm good. Where have you been all this while?

singing is just a good voice, rapping too needs a good rap voice (because you can't go rapping with a frog voice) and a great deal of intelligence to be able to put rhymes together, wordplay, punchlines etc.

brokoto: i agree with you on that and you can also agree that you guys(i mean the rap proponents) also confuse the Poo the likes of Timaya, Wizkid or even Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber do as real music. this argument has no end. nobody will budge because there really is no scientific basis of comparison, we are just airing our preferences here and backing them up with examples. i like your line of reasoning and the arguments you put forth[b](except when you insult others)[/b].
i could also put up a thousand and one videos and documentaries on the great musicians and composers of time immemorial but you would still not budge,so i say every man to his preference!

at the bolded part... You just have to be shrewd sometimes to get people off your back..

Mr. Globe2:

bottom line is singers are allowed to buy songs written by others but it is not allowed in rap. you can twist it how you like. Let me know the good songs you listen to that I don't know. lol

...so you can laugh at me?

If there are any true rappers here. . They'll know its much harder 2 sing,that why u see those rappers dont really come up with good choruses but have really sick lines. . .u'v gotta be extra careful when ur singing,the pitches matter a lot. . .but with rapping,if its in you,its in you,u can easily practice if u'v got talent 2 improve,singing is a much harder task,cos if the melody isnt pleasing,ppl will not like it. . .but it'l be very hard 2 see someone that doesnt like a really gOod flow,even if the beats are bad,or d chorus isnt pleasing 2 d ears

deeplow: @brokoto---i quite agree with you that I dnt know about music.could you please explain how "the bolded" is incorrect?are u telling me people like mariah Carey,r.kelly,John legend,emeli sande,celine Dion.e.t.c still go for voice training?btw,if u are going to come up with the normal pre-performance sound check that they do,pls come up with something else.

guy, i didnt mean that as an insult ok? i try to refrain from that here. the thing is that you really have no idea the hard work REAL vocalists/singers put in to make their voice sound like that. pls type this in youtube:WHAT MAKES A GREAT TENOR. nuff said!

ItsModella:
Did you see it anywhere in my post where I implied Busta Rhyme's rap was the standard example for rap? I meant to use his flow there as an example and not "the standard example" as you put it.

Please, you don't need to type it out.
You used his fast rap to try and prove rap period is difficult.

If that is not to be taken as as the standard in your post, then I'm Mariah Carey.

Mr. Globe2:

yeah wale is good no doubt but J Cole and kdot are not on his level. what do you think? He can stand them or is better? Man these two guys are the future. pay close attention to their materials. Jcole just saved lil Wayne's Mixtape with his feature.
wale is good. Good poet but man kdot and cole

I'm a big J.Cole fan... And I've been a fan of Kendrick Lamar since when he was K.Dot, the short guy who used to run with Jay Rock, when his rap skills were raw and unrefined... I understand where you're coming but Wale's niche is more of poetry and rapping deep poetic ish for the ladies... To be honest, I never used to rate Wale till I heard some of his not-so-popular tunes...

I guess that's why most educated African American women love him to death... Wale is do.pe, yo..... He isn't the type of society conscious/life rapper, but he's great at what he does..

shymexx: You guys confuse these bubble gum rappers without metaphors and similes with real rap music lol...

DUDE,

You don't even know how rap began.

Stop fronting.

Those vids. you posted are d0pe but that's it.
Rap has no one definition or example.

The first rappers did not even rap like those guys you posted.

Some were fast, some were slow. Some used metaphors, others were blunt and simple.
There is no "science".

Mr. Globe2:
singing is just a good voice, rapping too needs a good rap voice (because you can't go rapping with a frog voice) and a great deal of intelligence to be able to put rhymes together, wordplay, punchlines etc.

Yeah. If you're mediocre.

WTF is a good rap voice? I can alter the timbre of anyone's voice. You'll fall for it; it's all about perceptible frequencies, dude. But if I pitch-correct a bad singing voice, it'll sound mechanical.

The real history of rap began in the form of Toasting (from Jamaicans) and DJying (disc and radio jockies) in both Jamaica and America.

The Rhyme element was introduced to the Americans by Jamaicans. The Americans didn't really "rap" but were known to "slick talk". When the two cultures fused, then rap was born. Generations and individuals have shaped rap into many different things. But the foundation was VERY simple and so simple, many now have a hard time believing that one can call "toasting" and "rap" the same any more.


It cannot be defined per say.
But it's not difficult.

BelaMorena:
DUDE,

You don't even know how rap began.

Stop fronting.

Those vids. you posted are d0pe but that's it.
Rap has no one definition or example.

The first rappers did not even rap like those guys you posted.

Some were fast, some were slow. Some used metaphors, others were blunt and simple.
There is no "science".

I don't know how rap began but I know African Bambataa had to travel to Africa, came back and started the ish with Kool Herc... And I know all the early rappers that started from rhyming, graffiti, b-boying etc.. were all members of the nation of Gods and Earths... All old school new york rappers were 5%ers, even Jay Z, Nas, Common, Ice Cube, Wu Tang etc.. were not left out of the science of Supreme Mathematics of Clarence 13X...

Rakim Allah and Big Daddy Kane fathered the new school of rap in the East coast... J.Dilla in Detroit... Ice T, Ice Cube and NWA on the West Coast... And Scarface in the South... I'm a student of rap music - don't even go there with...

ArQueBusieR:
Yeah. If you're mediocre.

WTF is a good rap voice? I can alter the timbre of anyone's voice. You'll fall for it; it's all about perceptible frequencies, dude. But if I pitch-correct a bad singing voice, it'll sound mechanical.

GBAM!!!!

ONCE AGAIN...!

Singing is much more difficult. You have to get the pitches and tone right.
RAP is usually monotone.

shymexx:

I don't know how rap began but I know African Bambataa had to travel to Africa, came back and started the ish with Kool Herc... And I know all the early rappers that started from rhyming, graffiti, b-boying etc.. were all members of the nation of Gods and Earths... All old school new york rappers were 5%ers, even Jay Z, Nas, Common, Ice Cube, Wu Tang etc.. were not left out of the science of Supreme Mathematics of Clarence 13X...

Rakim Allah and Big Daddy Kane fathered the new school of rap in the East coast... J.Dilla in Detroit... Ice T, Ice Cube and NWA on the West Coast... And Scarface in the South... I'm a student of rap music - don't even go there with...

Kool herc and Africa Bambataa were two Jamaican Americans who created a hobby that became an international phenomenon. lol.

That's all.

Even with all the influences that would come and change hip hop, the point of it is just...SIMPLE. it's not as complex as you're making it.

This track is recognized as the first commercial rap song.

Listen to how simple it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjLHrhLVwzs

Tenderly1: you guyz did not tel me any matured man dat stil raps.and pls dnt tel me birdman

and do you define maturity?? By age or by songs of love. . .rap is sometin that pass messages,thank God for d likes of ppl like tu-pac,Nas,B.I.G,ice-cube,missy eliot . . . .these are ppl that really spoke the truth and even got killed for it,fought for justice and truth. . .the only pop or r&b singer that i know did that is micheal jackson. . .to me singers only speak of love,they only transmit sweetness ntn more

that said,i still think singing is harder,but i respect the art of rap

BelaMorena:

Kool herc and Africa Bambataa were two Jamaican Americans who created a hobby that became an international phenomenon. lol.

That's all.

Even with all the influences that would come and change hip hop, the point of it is just...SIMPLE. it's not as complex as you're making it.

I don't care about their ancestry, but hip hop wasn't just something they started because they thought it was cool - they started hip hop for a reason..

Hip = knowledge; Hop = movement.... Hip hop culture includes five main elements: rapping, deejaying, breakdancing, graffiti, and knowledge. Respect, unity, and knowledge make up the tripod foundation on which hip hop stands.

Singing is harder because you must have to be articulate and fully understood, but, rapping mostly incorporates some incosistent and senseless and shouting stuffs which every street fighter possesses.

BelaMorena: This track is recognized as the first commercial rap song.

Listen to how simple it is.

Why are you posting videoes of hip-hop artists with Jamaican ancestry??

Grandmaster flash and the furious five would be remembered for that video, because the content of the lyrics in that video was epic... The message is do.pe!!

odizzy: pls bros, tell me hw many rappers dat passes massage in dia music, is it lil wayne dat sings pucc! Pucc! Pucc! Or birdman n rickross dat raps abt cars n jawelleries, or 50cent n Game dat raps abt guns, or Jay n kanye west dat abusing God in dia music, e.g middle finger to the lord(jay Z) i made Jesus work, am nevr goin to hell(kanye west) etc. My bro get ur hands on country side music like ocean eyes, martine etc, n get inspired. And tell me hw many rappers burns the kind of energy rock stars burn. I respect rap game base on creativity but in terms of hard work singing is more difficult

i know these days,these contemporary rappers are killing hip-hop,but listen to the likes of 2pac or Nas,my brother u wud feel sorry for the world and the injustice. . .infact i think if fela were 2 born in this generation,with the kind of tin he dis when he was it,he'd be a rapper

Ps
i think singing is harder

shymexx:

I don't care about their ancestry, but hip hop wasn't just something they started because they thought it was cool - they started hip hop for a reason..

Hip = knowledge; Hop = movement.... Hip hop culture includes five main elements: rapping, deejaying, breakdancing, graffiti, and knowledge. Respect, unity, and knowledge make up the tripod foundation on which hip hop stands.

You don't care about their ancestry because you don't care about facts.

I don't debate with people who fight facts so,
good luck trying to convince true "hiphop heads" that rap and it's foundation revolves around mystical science.

Rap is definitely not poetry OR seen as such. Neither is it seen to have content. Besides lupe is retiring, so much for rap then.

Singing is an art

shymexx:

Why are you posting videoes of hip-hop artists with Jamaican ancestry??

Grandmaster flash and the furious five would be remembered for that video, because the content of the lyrics in that video was epic... The message is do.pe!!

He is not jamaican.



This further proves, you don't know a SINGLE THING about hip hop.

odizzy: dude i always mek my points wit instances, but u cnt even mek jus 1, the only rappers i respect due to the massage content in dia music re Nas n few of 2pac's tracks, the rest re crabs

i dont know much about him. . .but i'v listened to few of lupe-fiasco's tracks that are good,i mean with positive messages

Kay 17: Rap is definitely not poetry OR seen as such. Neither is it seen to have content. Besides lupe is retiring, so much for rap then.

Singing is an art

Oh really?

what makes a poem, a poem?

BelaMorena:
You don't care about their ancestry because you don't care about facts.

I don't debate with people who fight facts so,
good luck trying to convince true "hiphop heads" that rap and it's foundation revolves around mystical science.

nah, you kept talking about them being "Jamaican America" when most black people in New York with the five percenters' ideology at that time never cared about ancestry in their consciousness - it was about finding a voice to reach out to black people across America and educate them about the knowledge/science of the teachings of Clarence 13X...

All the 90s rapper alluded their influence to the Nation of Gods and Earths... That's why most conscious rappers are muslim...

BelaMorena:
He is not jamaican.


This further proves, you don't know a SINGLE THING about hip hop.

My bad, he's from the Barbados - he's still a Caribbean guy, anyway..

Barbados, Jamaica - what's the difference??

Don't really understand what you guyz 're talking about.
But this as my church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkPcgbwbJtQ

shymexx:

I don't care about their ancestry

shymexx:

Why are you posting videoes of hip-hop artists with Jamaican ancestry??

Grandmaster flash and the furious five would be remembered for that video, because the content of the lyrics in that video was epic... The message is do.pe!!

pls stop going further because you are making me regret admiring your arguments. you wont agree to our points and we wont agree to yours but please do a thorough research of the hiphop you love so much. i'm into opera now and you cant beat me there but pls dont display ignorance and apathy on your beloved hiphop again(no insult intended)

shymexx:

nah, you kept talking about them being "Jamaican America" when most black people in New York with the five percenters' ideology at that time never cared about ancestry in their consciousness - it was about finding a voice to reach out to black people across America and educate them about the knowledge/science of the teachings of Clarence 13X...

All the 90s rapper alluded their influence to the Nation of Gods and Earths... That's why most conscious rappers are muslim...

WTF?!

I only mentioned their nationality to show you how it began.
To show that it wasn't about science but influence and idleness that gained so much momentum, others not only joined in but added their own "flavors" to the mix creating their own styles. This is not about Jamaica really, but about the origins of the most popular music genre of our generation. You keep bringing up people who didn't have an influence until the late 80s or 90s and trying to use THEIR UNIQUE STYLE to say what rap is.

Again, rap cannot be defined using a single example.

The 5 percenters were out BEFORE rap. lol They are Islamic and used rap to gain more followers that is ALL. Rap itself has no religion, no science, no particular ideology. It was about giving the youth something to do and keep their minds off of daily stress and society.