You hear Wu Tang clan talk about the Supreme mathematics all the time...

Listen to the lyrics of 18 years old AZ in 'Life's a bytch' with Nas..

Cause yeah, we were beginners in the hood as 5 percenters
But something must of got in us cause all of us turned to sinners

shymexx:

My bad, he's from the Barbados - he's still a Caribbean guy, anyway..

Barbados, Jamaica - what's the difference??

um,,,different islands.

shymexx: You hear Wu Tang clan talk about the Supreme mathematics all the time...

Listen to the lyrics of 18 years old AZ in 'Life's a bytch' with Nas..

Cause yeah, we were beginners in the hood as 5 percenters
But something must of got in us cause all of us turned to sinners

lol shymmex when did the Wu Tang come out?

BelaMorena:
WTF?!

I only mentioned their nationality to show you how it began.
To show that it wasn't about science but influence and idleness that gained so much momentum, others not only joined in but added their own "flavors" to the mix creating their own styles. This is not about Jamaica really, but about the origins of the most popular music genre of our generation. You keep bringing up people who didn't have an influence until the late 80s or 90s and trying to use THEIR UNIQUE STYLE to say what rap is.

Again, rap cannot be defined using a single example.

The 5 percenters were out BEFORE rap. lol They are Islamic and used rap to gain more followers that is ALL. Rap itself has no religion, no science, no particular ideology. It was about giving the youth something to do and keep their minds off of daily stress and society.

Bwahahahahahaha @ the bolded part... The same 5 percenters that picked Jay Electronica up from the road a couple of years and educated him about the supreme mathematics, huh??

So the Supreme team that ruled Queens in the 90s were also out, nah?? You know Supreme was the leader of 5 percenters in Queens, right??

Rap has its roots in the science of 5 percenters... You know all the members of Public Enemy were 5 percenters, right

shymexx:

Bwahahahahahaha @ the bolded part... The same 5 percenters that picked Jay Electronica up from the road a couple of years and educated him about the supreme mathematics, huh??

So the Supreme team that ruled Queens in the 90s were also out, nah?? You know Supreme was the leader of 5 percenters in Queens, right??

Rap has its roots in the science of 5 percenters... You know all the members of Public Enemy were 5 percenters, right

I really can't believe this is the same guy who said hip hop was his life.

smh.

BelaMorena:

lol shymmex when did the Wu Tang come out?

How about Rakim and Eric B, Public Enemy, Slick Rick, KRS-one and Boogie Down Productions, De La Soul, EPMD, Kool G Rap etc..?

I just gave you the 80s class..

BelaMorena:

I really can't believe this is the same guy who said hip hop was his life.

smh.

You still ain't saying anything, rebut my points..

Hey, Singing is cool. But really RAP is poetry.....it's only few people in 9ja that can or still do it..... i rap, but sings much but i feel the Rap than singing....

Big up to Slick Rick the ruler, he put London on the map..

And Stringer Bells solidified our position in The Wire..

shymexx:

I'm a big J.Cole fan... And I've been a fan of Kendrick Lamar since when he was K.Dot, the short guy who used to run with Jay Rock, when his rap skills were raw and unrefined... I understand where you're coming but Wale's niche is more of poetry and rapping deep poetic ish for the ladies... To be honest, I never used to rate Wale till I heard some of his not-so-popular tunes...

I guess that's why most educated African American women love him to death... Wale is do.pe, yo..... He isn't the type of society conscious/life rapper, but he's great at what he does..

the same thing am saying, so do you rate him above Cole and k. dot. you didn't finish that path. I also think wale is yet to find his footing in the game, like his comfort zone. poetic yes but he has not leveraged on that............ or maybe ve not played many of his songs

from wikipedia:

The Nation of Gods and Earths, sometimes referred to as NGE or NOGE, the Five-Percent Nation, or the Five Percenters is an American organization founded in 1964 in the Harlem section of the borough of Manhattan, New York City, by Clarence 13X (born Clarence Edward Smith), a former student of Malcolm X, who left his mosque because he disagreed with the Nation of Islam over the nature and identity of God..

From the early 1980s, the Nation of Gods and Earths has propagated its teachings throughout the United States, as well as abroad. This spread was in part due to early adherents teaching when away at college or in the military and, more famously, because of the rise of hip hop music. The main theme of the NGE doctrine spoken on hip hop records were the teachings that black people were the original or first human life to walk the planet, that the Blackman is God, the Black Woman is Earth, and through the inner esoteric powers of the Gods and Earths, the youth can transform and possess its true potential, which seems to overthrow the overbearing oligarchy by becoming just rulers of themselves..

This was a movement that wanted to show black awareness and to make the acceptance of Islam a black thing during one of America's darkest eras in history (the 1960s).

These people had nothing to do with the FORMATION of rap and if rap was popular America during their time, I promise you, the founders of the organization would have dismissed it.

The founders of rap did not even think of this organization as they were a world apart. Wikipedia itself verify when I said that some of the FOLLOWERS OF CLARENCE'S TEACHINGS WHO GREW UP IN THE ERA in which rap became popular used their teaching to create their own styles and to bring their beliefs to the table by way of hip hop in order to reach the youth.

Although they have influenced some hip hop fans, trust me when I say that rap music is not 5 Percenter Oriented.

Stop chatting fuckry.

shymexx: Big up to Slick Rick the ruler, he put London on the map..

And Stringer Bells solidified our position in The Wire..

just to piss you off..

yes, slick rick is jamo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea-ezolZq5k

Mr. Globe2:

the same thing am saying, so do you rate him above Cole and k. dot. you didn't finish that path. I also think wale is yet to find his footing in the game, like his comfort zone. poetic yes but he has not leveraged on that............ or maybe ve not played many of his songs

Youtube, or buying his album is the best way to find out how talented Wale is... I'm not saying he's more talented than J.Cole and Kendrick Lamar, but he almost at their level..

Check out these tunes:

WALE - AMBITIOUS GIRL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcUIv8Y_eIM&feature=share&list=PLF1CDC8AB3681BBC2


Wale - Lotus Flower Bomb ft. Miguel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKvhkcJDbzY

eriam: Rakim, Nas, Common, Styles P, Pharaoh Monch, J Cole, Lupe Fiasco, Jay Z, Royce da 5'9 to mention a few are all mature rappers. U need 2 b creative, write lyrics and make them rhyme and am not talking about nursery rhymes I mean complex like Canibus but you dont need all that stress in singing, just write little and repeat your lines with sweet voice then you are done.

Godd lord,royce da 5'9 has 2 be one of the best rappers this world has seen. . .he spits fire and brimstone,the punchlines come with such perfecction it makes u cry

BelaMorena:
This was a movement that wanted to show black awareness and to make the acceptance of Islam a black thing during one of America's darkest eras in history (the 1960s).

These people had nothing to do with the FORMATION of rap and if rap was popular America during their time, I promise you, the founders of the organization would have dismissed it.

The founders of rap did not even think of this organization as they were a world apart. Wikipedia itself verify when I said that some of the FOLLOWERS OF CLARENCE'S TEACHINGS WHO GREW UP IN THE ERA in which rap became popular used their teaching to create their own styles and to bring their beliefs to the table by way of hip hop in order to reach the youth.

Although they have influenced some hip hop fans, trust me when I say that rap music is not 5 Percenter Oriented.
Stop chatting fuckry.

You still don't get it... Both Kool Herc and Africa Bambattaa were 5 percenters... They created rap by using their 5 percenters' ideology - and most of the rap phrases are from 5 percenters.. Even Tupac talked about it, and he wasn't even a 5 percenter - Pac was more into the black panther thing...

I'll find the book about hip-hop and post the link on here..

BelaMorena:
just to piss you off..

yes, slick rick is jamo.

Slick Rick was born in London, and they were going to deport him to London a couple of years ago, not Jamaica...

It's London Town in the house....

Stringer Bells!!

brokoto: guy, i didnt mean that as an insult ok? i try to refrain from that here. the thing is that you really have no idea the hard work REAL vocalists/singers put in to make their voice sound like that. pls type this in youtube:WHAT MAKES A GREAT TENOR. nuff said!

I really have no ideawow.no matter what u have to say in ur defense,d fact still remains that,a singer only trains their voice once.the rest is mere formality.that's what u haven't clearly countered.

shymexx:

Slick Rick was born in London, and they were going to deport him to London a couple of years ago, not Jamaica...

It's London Town in the house....

Stringer Bells!!

you live in the UK but are you not still a Nigerian?

shymexx:

You still don't get it... Both Kool Herc and Africa Bambattaa were 5 percenters... They created rap by using their 5 percenters' ideology - and most of the rap phrases are from 5 percenters.. Even Tupac talked about it, and he wasn't even a 5 percenter - Pac was more into the black panther thing...

I'll find the book about hip-hop and post the link on here..

you still don't get it.

im not talking about influence, i am talking about how rap began and how you cannot define it based on belief.


never mind lol. you seem to be on some mission so i will throw my hands in the air because i am now developing a mind fart.

the point is, you will see more singing fails than rap fails.

engrtee: .Singin is natural. Many are born talentd singers.Except u have d voice, forget it.no wonder almost every gal is in choir.

Rapin isnt a talent. It involves flowin for minutes. Going witout air for a long time.

that's true bt I disagree with when u said rapping is not a talent because is mine. Am a song writer and I can tell u that when writin a reasonable rap song that will make impression u have to think and do research.

shymexx:

Fam, we still need to have a discourse about where Wale belongs among the new skool rappers..

He's one of the best to me, he's that good..

hmm!! Wale is d kind of rapper that reminds me of the great men of Old!!

Messages!! I so much love Nas and 2pac. . .and fiasco!!

BelaMorena:

you live in the UK but are you not still a Nigerian?

I'm Nigerian - but London Town is the city that raised me...

I love naija to death and I'm proud of my country, though...


[size=14pt]Slick Rick & Doug E. Fresh - La Di Da Di[/size]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM0KAh5w7Rs



She said uh, "It's all because of you
I'm feeling sad and blue
You went away
and now my life is filled with rainy days
I love you so
How much you'll never know
Cause you took your love away from me"
Now what was I to do

Legend of Slick Rick the Ruler!!

BelaMorena:
you still don't get it.

im not talking about influence, i am talking about how rap began and how you cannot define it based on belief.


never mind lol. you seem to be on some mission so i will throw my hands in the air because i am now developing a mind fart.

the point is, you will see more singing fails than rap fails.

The belief created the consciousness - just as the pain of Slavery and black Baptist church created the consciousness of Jazz, Rock, and Soul music..

Fela Kuti's belief system enhanced the consciousness that created Afrobeat....

shymexx:

I'm Nigerian - but London Town is the city that raised me...

I love naija to death and I'm proud of my country, though...

hmmmm....interesting.

deeplow:

I really have no ideawow.no matter what u have to say in ur defense,d fact still remains that,a singer only trains their voice once.the rest is mere formality.that's what u haven't clearly countered.

i'm actually an opera singer so let me tell you this. voice training is not a one off thing. its a continous thing for as long as you want to remain relevant in the opera world. i'm not talking about pre-performance voice flexing. i'm talking about 30 mins of voice work everyday, 5 days in a week(what i do oh, imagine what the most established ones do). this does not include the many other elements too numerous to mention here. see eh, if you really know what being a vocalist is all about, dont train your voice for 3 days and attempt to sing any meaningful piece, you'd be ashamed of yourself.

Shaw007: hmm!! Wale is d kind of rapper that reminds me of the great men of Old!!

Messages!! I so much love Nas and 2pac. . .and fiasco!!

Yeah, even Wale said that in interview - he said he's trying to bring passion and knowledge into his music like 2pac..

Wale is a very passionate and sensitive guy..

singing fails


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njwAnkVjiU4





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kU9XwcOIfI

funny how people compare rap to singing, i mean wth were u thinkin? Somebody said everybody can sing..do u think because u're in the choir or raise ur voice whenever u feel like makes u a good singer? What come to mind when we talking bout music? Singing lifts the soul,it elevates,levitates,talks bout ur past it makes u cry,say bout the future it brighten up ur day,something u can relate with. Love has been a very strong theme for music and it can only be actualised through singing. If somebody like birdman raps nd people think its the deal then i wont surprised why ma 10yr old cousin make a hit single. There's no saving or two way thing bout singing its either you can do it or not. T pain sound gud with the auto tune but sounds better without it..go listen to the remix of 'same girl' and u know record labels wnt even let him into the booth if he aint gud.

Finally, you can't separate hip-hop from the supreme mathematics and science of 5%ers - just as you can't separate Jazz and Soul music from black baptist church, slavery, and African consciousness..

You can't create music if you're empty with no soul, you have to be spiritually inclined to create the magic that would touch people and last for a long time...

Music without soul don't last that long, music with soul and consciousness would definitely stand the test of time...

Hip-hop saved my life!!

the only fail someone can make in rap is the lyrical content.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwH0eVjNXKw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1mQ_B3Q65c



that is all.
but its not a difficult skill to master.
singing on the other hand must come natural.

BelaMorena: singing fails


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njwAnkVjiU4





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kU9XwcOIfI

lolzzz

shymexx:

Yeah, even Wale said that in interview - he said he's trying to bring passion and knowledge into his music like 2pac..

Wale is a very passionate and sensitive guy..

hmm. . I hope he does,i sometimes still wish we had ppl like 2pac alive blessing our souls with such good music,and i understand u guys are comparing him with j.cole and lamar. . .as much as i like wale,i dont think he's still up 2 them most especially kendrick lamar,but i just love his kinda music. . .super!!