MaxInDHouse:
It's OK hold on to the form of punishment your church agreed upon in case of wrongdoers

You don't need to tell me Oga Ade

we will DISFELLOWSHIP (EXCOMMUNICATE) that's our own interpretation of what Paul and John penned down!

@underlined is the key.

That's why I'm telling you is a wrong interpretation but only if you can remove that lens of man made doctrines then you'll be able to detect it.

Emusan:


There's no group or association that doesn't have punishment for the wrong doing of their members. So if you want to be objective, don't limit it to kill and Hell Fire threat alone.

You are a cult if you kill ex members or threaten them with hell fire. That is my point but if you have no problem with unbelievers and you don't kill or threaten people with hell fire for unbelief then you are a normal civil organisation

Emusan:

You don't need to tell me Oga Ade
@underlined is the key.
That's why I'm telling you is a wrong interpretation but only if you can remove that lens of man made doctrines then you'll be able to detect it.

WRONG by your own opinion but that's what has helped us to fulfil what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4

lawani:


What I meant is Islam and Christianity are the only know it all invasive religions that are not coherent among themselves while wanting to convert the whole world and threatening unbelievers with hell. Do you now understand?

Ok.

But correction! christianity is not interested in converting the world, only interested in converting those who fear God.

vdestro:


Ok.

But correction! christianity is not interested in converting the world, only interested in converting those who fear God.

Converting normal human beings to believers should be a criminal offense

lawani:


You don't get it. If a Christian is given a choice abandon Jesus or get thrown in hell fire, they will choose Jesus. It is mind programming

You are the one not getting it. First, you mean church goers and not christians. It is churchgoers who do not know God therefore, they are susceptible to brain washing.

And right now, you are the one brainwashed by satanist into attacking christians with the "if there is no hell" mantra.

A Christian knows that God is the greatest to be feared as proven by the world wide fear of His Hellfire!

lawani:


Converting normal human beings to believers should be a criminal offense

Same as converting believers to something else.

vdestro:


Same as converting believers to something else.

Don't convert people to sub humans by telling them that despite their good deeds they will burn in hell for not believing your tales. Do you intend to continue doing that? It leads to very ugly things like suicide bombings, sectarian division, irrational hatred of whole people's etc etc. I will never be caught promoting such. If that is what you do, kindly have a rethink.

MaxInDHouse:
WRONG by your own opinion but that's what has helped us to fulfil what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4

So without excommunication Isa 2:2-4 won't be fulfilled

lawani:


Punishment of criminals is not wrong but threat of hell fire as obtainable in Islam and Christianity is wrong

No different from when people warn you with the threat of polce and prison when you carry drugs or do yahoo-yahoo.

lawani:
You are a cult if you kill ex members or threaten them with hell fire.

Killing is condemned in all ramifications but who is threatening people with Hell Fire?

That is my point but if you have no problem with unbelievers and you don't kill or threaten people with hell fire for unbelief then you are a normal civil organisation

But nobody threatening you with Hell Fire.

Emusan:

So without excommunication Isa 2:2-4 won't be fulfilled

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Oya present any other group apart from Jehovah's Witnesses that has fulfilled it nah!

MaxInDHouse:
Oya present any other group apart from Jehovah's Witnesses that has fulfilled it nah!

Was that the point?

vdestro:


No different from when people warn you with the threat of polce and prison when you carry drugs or do yahoo-yahoo.

So you believe it is ok to tell well behaved people they will burn in hell?. By your reckoning it is not different from a law against murder or drug trafficking

lawani:

Don't convert people to sub humans by telling them that despite their good deeds they will burn in hell for not believing your tales....

So, if a murderous bandit helps your mother cross a busy road, he should not be punished for his stealing and murder because he has done the good?

And by your standard, asking people to do only that which is good makes them subhuman, eh? See how you prove that satan is working through you?

lawani:

Do you intend to continue doing that? It leads to very ugly things like suicide bombings, sectarian division, irrational hatred of whole people's etc etc. I will never be caught promoting such. If that is what you do, kindly have a rethink.

Thank God the records show that no mass and self murderer (suicide bomber) became one because a Christian told him to be good.

And that there isnt a normal person anywhere who does not vehemently hate rapists, adulterers and cheats, thieves and scammers, suicide bombers and kidnapping murderous bandits. So please, you don't have any tangible thing to say.

Emusan:

Was that the point?

The bone of contention is about religion and i told the OP that there is true and false religion so if God's word mentioned what is expected of the one and only true religion and you can see it written in your own copy of the Bible it's left to you because Jesus said by the FRUITS of each religion you will know where they belong {Matthew 7:16-18} so if Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 but you want to argue about their mode of operations then i don't get your point o!

MaxInDHouse:
The bone of contention is about religion and i told the OP that there is true and false religion so if God's word mentioned what is expected of the one and only true religion and you can see it written in your own copy of the Bible it's left to you because Jesus said by the FRUITS of each religion you will know where they belong {Matthew 7:16-18} so if Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 but you want to argue about their mode of operations then i don't get your point o!

Out of context

Without excommunication does that mean Isa 2:2-4 won't be fulfilled?

That's the point!

vdestro:


So, if a murderous bandit helps your mother cross a busy road, he should not be punished for his stealing and murder because he has done the good?

And by your standard, asking people to do only that which is good makes them subhuman, eh? See how you prove that satan is working through you?



Thank God the records show that no mass and self murderer (suicide bomber) became one because a Christian told him to be good.

And that there isnt a normal person anywhere who does not vehemently hate rapists, adulterers and cheats, thieves and scammers, suicide bombers and kidnapping murderous bandits. So please, you don't have any tangible thing to say.

You don't understand. Threatening holy people with hell because they don't accept your ridiculous claims as true is what I am against. I however don't believe in hell at all.

lawani:


So you believe it is ok to tell well behaved people they will burn in hell?. By your reckoning it is not different from a law against murder or drug trafficking

Whose well behaved? Do thieves and politicians and bandits not judge themselves well behaved?

Do we not know that some people appear well behaved to outsiders but their families call them devils because of the unspeakable evils they do?

Please, all Christianity is warning is that no wickedness or evil you do is hidden from God whether committed in your dark cupboard or in balogun market.

Emusan:

Out of context
Without excommunication does that mean Isa 2:2-4 won't be fulfilled?
That's the point!

Someone said without boiling the water you can't make Ẹ̀bà you say he is wrong but the one and only ẹ̀bá was prepared through boiled water there's no need for further argument nah all you should do is present any ẹ̀bà that was prepared with cold water.

Simple as ABC!

lawani:


You don't understand. Threatening holy people with hell because they don't accept your ridiculous claims as true is what I am against. I however don't believe in hell at all.

If they were indeed holy then they would not be threatened by hell, exactly as person wey no dey carry drugs no dey fear NDLEA.

vdestro:


If they were indeed holy then they would not be threatened by hell, exactly as person wey no dey carry drugs no dey fear NDLEA.

Christians and Muslims are the only humans who do this thing. On tv, internet, newspapers and in public places. How I wish you can see my point.

lawani:

Christians and Muslims are the only humans who do this thing. On tv, internet, newspapers and in public places. How I wish you can see my point.

I told you the group of worshipers who don't threaten anyone with Hellfire you say they're CULT simply because there's a punishment for wrongdoing in fact you're just deceiving yourself!

lawani:

Christians and Muslims are the only humans who do this thing. On tv, internet, newspapers and in public places. How I wish you can see my point.

I do see your point and I think that those who do this are devils doing this to make people hate God and Christianity and i have said so here severally.

MaxInDHouse:


I told you the group of worshipers who don't threaten anyone with Hellfire you say they're CULT simply because there's a punishment for wrongdoing in fact you're just deceiving yourself!

JW say a few people will go to heaven and the rest will live on Earth forever while those who don't believe will cease to exist. Isn't it?. It is still the same issue of eating up people's minds with irrational and harmful ideologies. What proof do they have for such an outlandish claim?.

vdestro:


I do see your point and I think that those who do this are devils doing this to make people hate God and Christianity and i have said so here severally.

You can't hate God. God loves everybody even if you are an atheist but Christianity is a harmful ideology that should not be practiced in public. Would you like your own father to be portrayed in bad light in public?. You can't control what people eat but you can't let them be selling anyhow food to the public but what you do out of sight in your own home is not anyone's business and you should be able to observe Christianity in your personal space

lawani:

JW say a few people will go to heaven and the rest will live on Earth forever while those who don't believe will cease to exist. Isn't it?. It is still the same issue of eating up people's minds with irrational and harmful ideologies. What proof do they have for such an outlandish claim?.

Logically if you're the ruler of a city and you tell your citizens how to make peace work among themselves but some ignored your words as they continue to cause chaos in your domain what will you do to such ones?

Any right thinking person will evict them from his domain that's the one and only logical thing to do!

MaxInDHouse:


Logically if you're the ruler of a city and you tell your citizens how to make peace work among themselves but some ignored your words as they continue to cause chaos in your domain what will you do to such ones?

Any right thinking person will evict them from his domain that's the one and only logical thing to do!

I would sign only laws passed by the majority and if by any chance they pass an unjust law, I would resign rather than sign it unless they force me but men of equal rank don't join together to do evil and many heads are always better than one. If citizens do something wrong but are not violent, I will support fining them repeatedly until they go bankrupt and I will never be in support of exiling one person not to talk of the majority

lawani:


I would sign only laws passed by the majority and if by any chance they pass an unjust law, I would resign rather than sign it unless they force me but men of equal rank don't join together to do evil and many heads are always better than one. If citizens do something wrong but are not violent, I will support fining them repeatedly until they go bankrupt and I will never be in support of exiling one person not to talk of the majority

While they're killing people around your domain shey?

lawani:


You can't hate God. God loves everybody...

See, your thinking is twisted and confused. "You can't hate God. God loves".

Many devils aka atheists have already confessed their hatred for God here, so you are completely off.

lawani:

...even if you are an atheist but Christianity is a harmful ideology that should not be practiced in public. Would you like your own father to be portrayed in bad light in public?. You can't control what people eat but you can't let them be selling anyhow food to the public but what you do out of sight in your own home is not anyone's business and you should be able to observe Christianity in your personal space

Christianity says " do only the good and the right" and you say it is harmful to the public, do you now see that you are the one who is harm full to the world, exactly like satan?

MaxInDHouse:


While they're killing people around your domain shey?

Initiators of violence should be met with violence of course while murderers are promptly killed.

vdestro:


See, your thinking is twisted and confused. "You can't hate God. God loves".

Many devils aka atheists have already confessed their hatred for God here, so you are completely off.



Christianity says " do only the good and the right" and you say it is harmful to the public, do you now see that you are the one who is harm full to the world, exactly like satan?

If you don't believe Christ is God which other humans can't become and you agree that only the one you offended can forgive you and not God, that salvation is not by grace (sheer luck) but you have to work it out etc etc then your Christianity will start having a comely face. Otherwise it remains evil.