lawani:

What Christians say is that God will burn you in hell for unbelief. Not crimes but unbelief. We are talking of holy unbelievers here. You can't be threatening law abiding people with hell fire. God is not an immoral bastard. Do you get it?. Even if you nuke the whole world for doing nothing wrong, hell fire or infinite punishment will still be gross but Christians threaten holy people. I don't support that

The highlighted really amuse me:
HOLY UNBELIEVERS
Of course you'll find virtuous people in all the religions on this planet but when talking about "HOLINESS" it's only within Christianity that you can find Holy ones.

I think what you don't understand is that adjective "HOLY"

lawani:


What Christians say is that God will burn you in hell for unbelief. Not crimes but unbelief. We are talking of holy unbelievers here. You can't be threatening law abiding people with hell fire. God is not an immoral bastard. Do you get it?. Even if you nuke the whole world for doing nothing wrong, hell fire or infinite punishment will still be gross but Christians threaten holy people. I don't support that

Sin comes with unbelief. If you believe in God you will do what he says he promised us a better place that can only be ruined by sin. That why a criminal can not go to heaven.

Where do we get our notion of good and evil from.

Maynman:

Since you have given him free will to pick anyone then it’s not your business on what the kid chose, since you said the kid have free choice.

Before you gave him those junks you should have inspected it.

I suppose you have grown up children who as you know have human rights and free will suppose you see him doing something that will affect him negatively. Won't you at least warn him of the danger of what he is doing. Which loving parent won't do that for their child? You are very smart use life itself to answer your question. Life proves God.

Lawag3:


I suppose you have grown up children who as you know have human rights and free will suppose you see him doing something that will affect him negatively. Won't you at least warn him of the danger of what he is doing. Which loving parent won't do that for their child? You are very smart use life itself to answer your question. Life proves God.

According to human rights you don’t have free will, you have specific rights.
There are things you can’t do.

If i am a omniscience god and I created everything, why would I create my son to be negative then later complain that he is?

Lawag3:


Sin comes with unbelief. If you believe in God you will do what he says he promised us a better place that can only be ruined by sin. That why a criminal can not go to heaven.

Where do we get our notion of good and evil from.

Not with unbelief of outlandish claims. If you believe foolish things about God then you are practicing a kind of atheism. At least hold God to the same standards to which you hold your Dad. However lack of deep thinking is the problem of most religionists and they therefore become victims of manipulators but some of the leaders are not manipulators though.

The adjective HOLY means PURITY of highest order!

So when the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob called Himself "HOLY" He simply means when compared to all other Gods you can think of He is the purest.
For instance the sky is bright but if you're to carefully look into the sky surely you will have something to say about some dark clouds yet you can never ever find any source of brighter light that's better than what the sky offers.

So when talking about holy ones these are the people who have been certified as in declared righteous by the most high God therefore in all ramifications they're far far better than those who aren't believers in God it's like comparing people suffering from partial blindness to those having sharp eyes!

Maynman:

According to human rights you don’t have free will, you have specific rights.
There are things you can’t do.

If i am a omniscience god and I created everything, why would I create my son to be negative then later complain that he is?

God didn't create you to the negative he didn't create anything to be negative sin makes man to be negative. God also let's you do what you want to do. So he is concerned when you do not do the right things.

Lawag3:


God didn't create you to the negative he didn't create anything to be negative sin makes man to be negative. God also let's you do what you want to do. So he is concerned when you do not do the right things.

Who created man with all his desires then?
Is this god omniscience?

lawani:


Not with unbelief of outlandish claims. If you believe foolish things about God then you are practicing a kind of atheism. At least hold God to the same standards to which you hold your Dad. However lack of deep thinking is the problem of most religionists and they therefore become victims of manipulators but some of the leaders are not manipulators though.

What claims are you talking about. Let me make this clear I don't believe in religion I believe in Jesus Christ. Christianity came about because people follow the character of Jesus which was perfect a Christian without Jesus is just a Christian by name. I agree they're manipulators in Christianity but even you see some different ones. Those ones are the followers of Jesus. You can not deny it true Christianity makes this world better.

Maynman:

Who created man with all his desires then?
Is this god omniscience?

God create man, man's desire came with his free will. God gave man free will because he wants us to worship him by ourselves we are not programmed robots we are humans.

I have already had this discussion of God's omniscience with you before you understood but choose to play dumb.

Lawag3:


God create man, man's desire came with his free will. God gave man free will because he wants us to worship him by ourselves we are not programmed robots we are humans.

I have already had this discussion of God's omniscience with you before you understood but choose to play dumb.

If he wants you to worship him by yourself then shouldn’t he allow it freely, why force someone to worship you.
If you give someone “free will” with the aim of worshipping you, what then is the free will?

Dullard said predicting the future means you are omniscience. You keep on “adopting” your own meaning of words to put you deeper in the chains of yahweh.

Lawag3:

God create man, man's desire came with his free will. God gave man free will because he wants us to worship him by ourselves we are not programmed robots we are humans. I have already had this discussion of God's omniscience with you before you understood but choose to play dumb.

The problem with most people is what Satan's system turned WORSHIP to in fact they have lost the correct meaning of that verb "WORSHIP"

According to the Bible worship means doing what pleases someone else so the Bible God wants exclusive devotion (heartfelt worship)

But because Satan wants to share the worship that rightly belongs to God {Luke 4:7} he made many think that all they need to do is offer whatever they feel instead of their best to God that's why Jesus of Nazareth said:

“The first (greatest commandment) is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength'" Mark 12:29-30

Of course lots of blessings awaits anyone who obey this commandment {Isaiah 48:17-18} because the true God is the only source of WISDOM and man needs wisdom to be truly happy! Proverbs 2:6-7

Lawag3:


What claims are you talking about. Let me make this clear I don't believe in religion I believe in Jesus Christ. Christianity came about because people follow the character of Jesus which was perfect a Christian without Jesus is just a Christian by name. I agree they're manipulators in Christianity but even you see some different ones. Those ones are the followers of Jesus. You can not deny it true Christianity makes this world better.

Saying these things in public is wrong.
1. Jesus is God which others can't become. No he is just a mere man born out of wedlock.

2. God or Jesus can forgive you your sins. No only the offended can forgive and an offender needs to meet the offended to secure forgiveness

3. Your sins will always be forgiven. No there is no free pass. Expect consequences for all your actions. No evil doer will go unpunished.

4. Jesus died for you. No he was duly tried and convicted of heresy in a properly constituted court. Those who died for you are your ancestors and past people who died defending your nation.

5. Salvation is free or by grace. No nothing is free you have to deserve it and work for it or towards it.

6. Those who don't believe all the claims above will be cast into the lake of fire. No that is a very evil way to describe God. You are infact slandering God and if you are allowed to continue your whole community will pay.

Now you are free to believe anything just like you are free to eat anything but it would be wrong to allow you spread in public this very dangerous ideology that you clearly believe is absolute true. People who sell food should be licensed to do that. There is freedom to practice religion but it should not extend to freedom to spread this kind of ideology in the public space. That is the issue but you are of course free to believe and practice in private but let other people breathe

RELIGIONS ARE CULTURED CULTS.

lawani:


Saying these things in public is wrong.
1. Jesus is God which others can't become. No he is just a mere man born out of wedlock.

2. God or Jesus can forgive you your sins. No only the offended can forgive and an offender needs to meet the offended to secure forgiveness

3. Your sins will always be forgiven. No there is no free pass. Expect consequences for all your actions. No evil doer will go unpunished.

4. Jesus died for you. No he was duly tried and convicted of heresy in a properly constituted court. Those who died for you are your ancestors and past people who died defending your nation.

5. Salvation is free or by grace. No nothing is free you have to deserve it and work for it or towards it.

6. Those who don't believe all the claims above will be cast into the lake of fire. No that is a very evil way to describe God. You are infact slandering God and if you are allowed to continue your whole community will pay.

Now you are free to believe anything just like you are free to eat anything but it would be wrong to allow you spread in public this very dangerous ideology that you clearly believe is absolute true. People who sell food should be licensed to do that. There is freedom to practice religion but it should not extend to freedom to spread this kind of ideology in the public space. That is the issue but you are of course free to believe and practice in private but let other people breathe

Jesus is God which is true.

Yes only God can forgive sin.

Yours sins will always be forgiven by God doesn't mean God takes the consequences of your sin a promiscuous person who gets HIV and repents doesn't automatically become healed.

Jesus died for me and you which is true. If you know history Pontius Pilate said he saw nothing wrong in Jesus he washed his hands off his case.

Salvation is free in the sense nobody pays for it. Because it has already been paid for. Jesus paid for it with his death. Gave it to us for free.

It is called the good news you only tell good news to love ones. We do not spread an ideology we spread the good news we tell people to live a good life. You are scared of hell but there is a way out you have been offered it but rejected it. If you don't believe it then live your life no one is forcing you bro do you but hope you don't regret it. When you finally die and heaven is not real you loss nothing but when it's real you loss everything.

Maynman:

If he wants you to worship him by yourself then shouldn’t he allow it freely, why force someone to worship you.
If you give someone “free will” with the aim of worshipping you, what then is the free will?

Dullard said predicting the future means you are omniscience. You keep on “adopting” your own meaning of words to put you deeper in the chains of yahweh.

God will never force a man to worship him maybe some silly people might force you they are doing it not for God he never asked us to force anyone.

To choose to worship him that's is the free will.

Knowing All isn't predicting the future

Do you watch marvel movies?

Just answer the question I'm going somewhere.

Lawag3:


God will never force a man to worship him maybe some silly people might force you they are doing it not for God he never asked us to force anyone.

To choose to worship him that's is the free will.

Knowing All isn't predicting the future

Do you watch marvel movies?

Just answer the question I'm going somewhere.

When your god punishes a man for not worshipping him that’s forcing someone, you should not be punished for using your free will. Why then did you he give you if they can’t use it FREELY?


If you know everything that means you already planned it, you are only having fun.

Yes i do watch marvel movies.

Lawag3:


Jesus is God which is true.

Yes only God can forgive sin.

Yours sins will always be forgiven by God doesn't mean God takes the consequences of your sin a promiscuous person who gets HIV and repents doesn't automatically become healed.

Jesus died for me and you which is true. If you know history Pontius Pilate said he saw nothing wrong in Jesus he washed his hands off his case.

Salvation is free in the sense nobody pays for it. Because it has already been paid for. Jesus paid for it with his death. Gave it to us for free.

It is called the good news you only tell good news to love ones. We do not spread an ideology we spread the good news we tell people to live a good life. You are scared of hell but there is a way out you have been offered it but rejected it. If you don't believe it then live your life no one is forcing you bro do you but hope you don't regret it. When you finally die and heaven is not real you loss nothing but when it's real you loss everything.

Telling a law abiding man he is going to hell is terrorism however subtle. It is mind eating and mind bending as well as evil. It is the foundation of turning Human beings to suicide bombers and this is why it should not be allowed in a public space. Nobody has the right to threaten unbelievers of fairy tale with hell fire. Boko Haram is built on such. I urge you to have a rethink.
Then if you stole from somebody, settle with them and not leave them writhing in pain while you ask God for forgiveness. That would be evil.

lawani:


Telling a law abiding man he is going to hell is terrorism however subtle. It is mind eating and mind bending as well as evil. It is the foundation of turning Human beings to suicide bombers and this is why it should not be allowed in a public space. Nobody has the right to threaten unbelievers of fairy tale with hell fire. Boko Haram is built on such. I urge you to have a rethink.
Then if you stole from somebody, settle with them and not leave them writhing in pain while you ask God for forgiveness. That would be evil.

The bible teaches restitution which is settling with people who you hurt or offended

If you believe it's not real. Then you do not need be scared you call it fairy tail then you don't need to be threatened. Unless you believe it is.

Like I say we only warn and we warn out of love.

You know Christianity and Islam is different right. Islam allows you to kill unbelievers Mohammed was a vile man Jesus was peace.

Let me tell you for free the Quran say all Moslems will go to hell.

Mohammed didn't know where he will go Jesus promise believers heaven.

Maynman:

When your god punishes a man for not worshipping him that’s forcing someone, you should not be punished for using your free will. Why then did you he give you if they can’t use it FREELY?


If you know everything that means you already planned it, you are only having fun.

Yes i do watch marvel movies.

The punishment comes when you can no longer worship him you can only worship him when you are alive. You are not punished for using your free will you are punished for wrong doings. Don't speak like a dumb person you are better than that.

Good you know the concept of alternate reality right? they understood the concept. In the comics doctor strange is described omniscience we see that in a scene in infinity wars where he looks into all possible outcome in the fight with Thanus he saw that they won in only one of those possible realities. The only difference in God is he doesn't interfere in the way you plan your life good or bad he lets you do what you want he tries to guide you but when you reject that he leaves you until you call him.

We are not robot we were not programmed or scripted God knows all doesn't mean he controls all

Lawag3:


The punishment comes when you can no longer worship him you can only worship him when you are alive. You are not punished for using your free will you are punished for wrong doings. Don't speak like a dumb person you are better than that.

What then is the use of the free will if only what you can do with it is to worship someone?
Why punish you for using your freewill?
Who created you with the ability to do wrong?
And the punishment for wrong doings is burning you? Even humans are not this insane.
Don’t speak like a daft person you are better than that.

Lawag3:



Good you know the concept of alternate reality right? they understood the concept. In the comics doctor strange is described omniscience we see that in a scene in infinity wars where he looks into all possible outcome in the fight with Thanus he saw that they won in only one of those possible realities. The only difference in God is he doesn't interfere in the way you plan your life good or bad he lets you do what you want he tries to guide you but when you reject that he leaves you until you call him.

We are not robot we were not programmed or scripted God knows all doesn't mean he controls all

Show me where doctor strange is described as omniscience. Show me where another person apart from you is making this ignorant claim.
Omniscience doesn’t just mean you just know the “future”, it means you know EVERYTHING, past, PRESENT and future.

An omniscience god knows EXACTLY what will happen from the beginning to end, there cannot be different realities, he has planned it all, he knows exactly how it will play out.

Maynman:

Show me where doctor strange is described as omniscience.
Omniscience doesn’t just mean you know the future, it means you know EVERYTHING, past, present and future.

An omniscience knows EXACTLY what will happen from the beginning to end, there cannot be different realities, he has planned it all, he knows exactly how it will play out.

In his rather short cameo, the architects of the MCU do some subtle work to establish Doctor Strange as a more omniscient presence, witnessing the various events in the series from a further distance. Able to see the big picture, the new Sorcerer Supreme's role in the universe's status quo makes for an interesting development in a franchise,

It's was said in the comics that doctor strange is nigh omniscient the bible does not only describe God as omniscient it called him the all knowing God.

In our world there is no different realities but humans can make decisions right different types of decisions.

Lawag3:

In his rather short cameo, the architects of the MCU do some subtle work to establish Doctor Strange as a more omniscient presence, witnessing the various events in the series from a further distance. Able to see the big picture, the new Sorcerer Supreme's role in the universe's status quo makes for an interesting development in a franchise,

It's was said in the comics that doctor strange is nigh omniscient the bible does not only describe God as omniscient it called him the all knowing God.

In our world there is no different realities but humans can make decisions right different types of decisions.

Your god does not know everything?

Maynman:

Your god does not know everything?

I took a page from your book 😂

Maynman:

Your god does not know everything?

Knowing all possibility

Lawag3:


Knowing all possibility

He knows EVERYTHING.
COMPLETE AND INFINITE KNOWLEDGE, not to add that this same deity also created you, gave you 2 hands for a reason, gave you all your desires for a reason .

read what you sent

Maynman:

He knows EVERYTHING.
COMPLETE AND INFINITE KNOWLEDGE, not to add that this same deity also created you.

read what you sent

In heaven, Olodumare consults Ifa and the Oluwo is Ajagunmale. You know everything too or can access any information and that is how it is in heaven as well. God is the owner of the grand plan while man can only authour small actions that can not alter God's ultimate plan, if you won't let God use you then someone else will come in handy but God's plan will stand. Your sharp practices or evils are not part of God's plans!

lawani:


In heaven, Olodumare consults Ifa and the Oluwo is Ajagunmale. You know everything too or can access any information and that is how it is in heaven as well. God is the owner of the grand plan while man can only authour small actions that can not alter God's ultimate plan, if you won't let God use you then someone else will come in handy but God's plan will stand

That’s a blatant lie, can you show me where olodumare consulted ifa.

I don’t know everything, i learn everyday.

Does your god know that man will alter his plan?
An omniscience god should know exactly who he will use. Your god is not sounding Omniscience atall.
how can man be altering the plan of a omnipotent god?

Your god doesn’t even know how many people will be in hell, but he knows the end?
Is it not people actions that will determine the end?

lawani:


God is the owner of the grand plan while man can only authour small actions that can not alter God's ultimate plan

If devil can betray your god, how sure are you that Michael can’t also betray him?

He won’t see it coming na, the all knowing god will later regret.

Lawag3:

The bible teaches restitution which is settling with people who you hurt or offended

If you believe it's not real. Then you do not need be scared you call it fairy tail then you don't need to be threatened. Unless you believe it is.

Like I say we only warn and we warn out of love.

You know Christianity and Islam is different right. Islam allows you to kill unbelievers Mohammed was a vile man Jesus was peace.

Let me tell you for free the Quran say all Moslems will go to hell.

Mohammed didn't know where he will go Jesus promise believers heaven.

Common sense is enough to realize that God who you can't see can not be offended by you and that you need to focus on the person you wronged. Islam is a sect of Christianity and Mohammed was converted by his catholic wife which is why he believed in the immaculate conception of Jesus. The first religion is Christianity. Christianity was spread by the sword as well. Only kids and impressionable adults can be scared by fairy tales in books of religion. Not someone like me.

Maynman:

That’s a blatant lie, can you show me where olodumare consulted ifa.

I don’t know everything, i learn everyday.

Does your god know that man will alter his plan?
An omniscience god should know exactly who he will use. Your god is not sounding Omniscience atall.
how can man be altering the plan of a omnipotent god?

Your god doesn’t even know how many people will be in hell, but he knows the end?
Is it not people actions that will determine the end?

Olodumare is the King of human beings in the non material state which is like our own society. According to Yoruba theology they have Awos in heaven too and it is sound enough for me to believe but you of course don't have to believe. You can't alter the plan of God. No one is big enough but you can work at cross purposes with God by doing evil