vdestro:


See, your thinking is twisted and confused. "You can't hate God. God loves".

Many devils aka atheists have already confessed their hatred for God here, so you are completely off.



Christianity says " do only the good and the right" and you say it is harmful to the public, do you now see that you are the one who is harm full to the world, exactly like satan?

Atheists exist only because Muslims and Christians exist. No one will go against a gentleman God but any thinking person will question the God described in the Bible and the Quran hence atheism. No atheists before religion. If you hate God it of course does not matter to God. It is like an American kid hating the US President. It does not matter to the US President. You religionists are the cause of atheism and are as guilty of atheism as those you are accusing of being atheists

lawani:


If you don't believe Christ is God which other humans can't become and you agree that only the one you offended can forgive you and not God, that salvation is not by grace (sheer luck) but you have to work it out etc etc then your Christianity will start having a comely face. Otherwise it remains evil.

Aha! You have moved to another topic.

Raise a thread, i'll meet you there!

vdestro:


Aha! You have moved to another topic.

Raise a thread, i'll meet you there!

It is because you debate as if you don't know what Christianity is

lawani:

Initiators of violence should be met with violence of course while murderers are promptly killed.

Now you're talking!

My God promised to KILL all killers and anyone supporting killing. That's what makes Jehovah's Witnesses different because we have no killers in our midst judgment of evildoers we leave to our God but they can't continue being our fellow worshipers so we EXCOMMUNICATE them unless they're REPENTANT!

MaxInDHouse:


Now you're talking!

My God promised to KILL all killers and anyone supporting killing. That's what makes Jehovah's Witnesses different because we have no killers in our midst judgment of evildoers we leave to our God but they can't continue being our fellow worshipers so we EXCOMMUNICATE them unless they're REPENTANT!

It is okay so far they don't use public spaces. No one after all can go into someone's head to change their belief. They are okay if they are banned from public practice

lawani:

It is okay so far they don't use public spaces. No one after all can go into someone's head to change their belief. They are okay if they are banned from public practice

Banning people for their beliefs is intolerance all we can do is avoid them if possible because everyone has what is called "human right" and part of your right as human is to hold your own beliefs as long as you're not hurting anyone in your neighbourhood!

E be like sey you no know sey the most difficult group to beat intelligently are Jehovah's Witnesses, we will prove to you that everything we do is LOGICAL and WISE!

MaxInDHouse:


Banning people for their beliefs is intolerance all we can do is avoid them if possible because everyone has what is called "human right" and part of your right as human is to hold your own beliefs as long as you're not hurting anyone in your neighbourhood!

E be like sey you no know sey the most difficult group to beat intelligently are Jehovah's Witnesses, we will prove to you that everything we do is LOGICAL and WISE!

If people are excommunicating the whole world, why do you think the whole world should not excommunicate them from public spaces? But of course they can't ban them from practice in private. When harmful ideologies are left to fester it will spread and branch out into even more harmful ideologies. JW are exactly like early christians which morphed into catholicism which branched into Islam which branched into Shiites Sunni etc and Catholicism branched into Protestantism into pentecostalism which has JW as a branch and JW is just like early Christianity!

MaxInDHouse:
[s]Someone said without boiling the water you can't make Ẹ̀bà you say he is wrong but the one and only ẹ̀bá was prepared through boiled water there's no need for further argument nah all you should do is present any ẹ̀bà that was prepared with cold water.[/s]

Simple as ABC!

Irrelevant story!

lawani:

If people are excommunicating the whole world, why do you think the whole world should not excommunicate them from public spaces? But of course they can't ban them from practice in private. When harmful ideologies are left to fester it will spread and branch out into even more harmful ideologies. JW are exactly like early christians which morphed into catholicism which branched into Islam which branched into Shiites Sunni etc and Catholicism branched into Protestantism into pentecostalism which has JW as a branch and JW is just like early Christianity!

Stop deceiving yourself it's clear that you hate TRUTH!

Christianity has nothing to do with all those you mentioned i have told you this several times but you keep repeating it.

Jesus said Satan will initiate his own followers who will claim they're Christians {Matthew 13:25} but by their FRUITS you will know them. Matthew 7:16-18

Any religion that's in support of lifting weapons against fellow humans is not a Christian group because Christ taught his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone {Matthew 5:43-48} so how can killers be followers of a leader who outrightly condemns killing? Matthew 26:52

Emusan:

Irrelevant story!

Very logical illustration that you can't refute!

Without excommunication of wrongdoers what Isaiah 2:2-4 says can't be fulfilled just as without boiling water you can't make Ẹ̀bà but instead of arguing fruitlessly why not present a single group that's fulfilling what Isaiah said apart from Jehovah's Witnesses who are excommunicating wrongdoers?

MaxInDHouse:


Stop deceiving yourself it's clear that you hate TRUTH!

Christianity has nothing to do with all those you mentioned i have told you this several times but you keep repeating it.

Jesus said Satan will initiate his own followers who will claim they're Christians {Matthew 13:25} but by their FRUITS you will know them. Matthew 7:16-18

Any religion that's in support of lifting weapons against fellow humans is not a Christian group because Christ taught his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone {Matthew 5:43-48} so how can killers be followers of a leader who outrightly condemns killing? Matthew 26:52

While early Christians are like JW, Jesus was not. He fought in the temple and his disciples were always armed

lawani:

While early Christians are like JW, Jesus was not. He fought in the temple and his disciples were always armed

Why not ask what happened instead of saying what you don't understand?

If your family house is been turned into a place where some members choose to keep their domestic animals for sell with animal poo smelling everywhere do you call a member of your family who goes there to drive them out a fighter?
Who among the sellers will have the impetus to say what he did to keep the family house tidy is wrong?

Ọmọ just calm down and ask whatever you don't understand Jesus' disciples were armed because they were still anticipating a time Jesus will lead the people into a revolution against Rome but he never did that's why they can't fight back when Jews were attacking them for their faith àbí you have any idea where the early Christians retaliated the ill-treatment they were getting from the Jews?

MaxInDHouse:


Why not ask what happened instead of saying what you don't understand?

If your family house is been turned into a place where some members choose to keep their domestic animals for sell with animal poo smelling everywhere do you call a member of your family who goes there to drive them out a fighter?
Who among the sellers will have the impetus to say what he did to keep the family house tidy is wrong?

Ọmọ just calm down and ask whatever you don't understand Jesus' disciples were armed because they were still anticipating a time Jesus will lead the people into a revolution against Rome but he never did that's why they can't fight back when Jews were attacking them for their faith àbí you have any idea where the early Christians retaliated the ill-treatment they were getting from the Jews?

I only pointed out that Jesus was not a non arms bearing pacifist and where he disrupted peace was not his father's house but the community synagogue. Then if JW happen to win over a whole country and form the government there, do you agree it will be the Catholic church all over again? A repeat of the cycle all over again. That is the issue. The inquisition all over again etc etc

MaxInDHouse:
Very logical illustration that you can't refute!

Something that's very illogical

Without excommunication of wrongdoers

No biblical verse for this.

what Isaiah 2:2-4 says can't be fulfilled just as without boiling water you can't make Ẹ̀bà

The early Churches has fulfilled Isa 2 or you'll argue that they didn't fulfill it because there was never excommunication?

but instead of arguing fruitlessly why not present a single group that's fulfilling what Isaiah said apart from Jehovah's Witnesses who are excommunicating wrongdoers?

It's not today I've been telling you that you'll look for GROUP tire in the Bible.

Even GROUP was never appeared in Isa 2:2-4

lawani:


It is because you debate as if you don't know what Christianity is

It is because i debate how a debate should be, so raise a thread and i'll meet you there and then everyone would see all.

lawani:

I only pointed out that Jesus was not a non arms bearing pacifist and where he disrupted peace was not his father's house but the community synagogue. Then if JW happen to win over a whole country and form the government there, do you agree it will be the Catholic church all over again? A repeat of the cycle all over again. That is the issue. The inquisition all over again etc etc

It's not just one of their Synagogues but the temple in Jerusalem which is the house of their God even your so called African gods won't tolerate that. So Jesus going there to drive them out was justified and he wasn't armed as you thought. As for Jehovah's Witnesses the only rule that makes us different from all others is never supporting WARS so what you're thinking will never ever happen among us!

lawani:

Atheists exist only because Muslims and Christians exist. No one will go against a gentleman God but any thinking person will question the God described in the Bible and the Quran hence atheism. No atheists before religion. If you hate God it of course does not matter to God. It is like an American kid hating the US President. It does not matter to the US President. You religionists are the cause of atheism and are as guilty of atheism as those you are accusing of being atheists

C'mon, think well now. Like saying fire exists only because water and sand exist, when we all know that there would always be anti-whatever people eg gay and antigay, marriage and antimarriage, God and antiGod people.

Even nairaland here can testify to the fact that sweet gentlemen here have had their good acts torn to shreds and questioned by wicked evil people.

Thus, it is clear, as proven by donbenie, lortReed and many atheists here, that evil people just love being and doing evil and they do not need anything or anyone to provoke them to attack any getleman.

So, it is not our love for God that made you an atheist, it is rather your love for evil and your hatred for God especially the part where He stopped answering your prayers which makes you people become atheist.

vdestro:


C'mon, think well now. Like saying fire exists only because water and sand exist, when we all know that there would always be anti-whatever people eg gay and antigay, marriage and antimarriage, God and antiGod people.

Even nairaland here can testify to the fact that sweet gentlemen here have had their good acts torn to shreds and questioned by wicked evil people.

Thus, it is clear, as proven by donbenie, lortReed and many atheists here, that evil people just love being and doing evil and they do not need anything or anyone to provoke them to attack any getleman.

So, it is not our love for God that made you an atheist, it is rather your love for evil and your hatred for God especially the part where He stopped answering your prayers which makes you people become atheist.

Atheism is cool. Childlike innocence is harmless. It is you people that are dangerous. You understand?. Atheism is not evil like religion.

MaxInDHouse:


It's not just one of their Synagogues but the temple in Jerusalem which is the house of their God even your so called African gods won't tolerate that. So Jesus going there to drive them out was justified and he wasn't armed as you thought. As for Jehovah's Witnesses the only rule that makes us different from all others is never supporting WARS so what you're thinking will never ever happen among us!

It was not his father's house. That is the issue. Then he used whips according to the Bible and I would not know if he used other arms. However when he was to be arrested, his companions were armed and one of them inflicted a wound on one of the soldiers that came to arrest him showing clearly that the claim by the Jews that Jesus and his disciples were thugs that used to get involved in street fights might be true. The only evidence in the Bible for that are the two examples I shared

lawani:

It was not his father's house. That is the issue. Then he used whips according to the Bible and I would not know if he used other arms. However when he was to be arrested, his companions were armed and one of them inflicted a wound on one of the soldiers that came to arrest him showing clearly that the claim by the Jews that Jesus and his disciples were thugs that used to get involved in street fights might be true. The only evidence in the Bible for that are the two examples I shared

Now you should have known that only JWs are true Christians as i've been defending what you read about Jesus and his disciples.

Jesus never carry any weapons and before the event that led to his arrest he told his disciples to get a sword each at all cost {Luke 22:36} but the eleven in response told him they have two swords.

Now let's reason logically: was Jesus talking about physical sword? If so then how can eleven men share two swords and Jesus said "that's enough" {Luke 22:38} do you think that's the kind of sword he asked each of them to own? Ephesians 6:17 compare to Hebrews 4:12

lawani:


Atheism is cool. Childlike innocence is harmless. It is you people that are dangerous. You understand?. Atheism is not evil like religion.

As you, donbenie, lortreed and other atheists have shown here, you people are very very evil and even more dangerous than a cobra in a classroom

lawani:

Atheism is cool. Childlike innocence is harmless. It is you people that are dangerous. You understand?. Atheism is not evil like religion.

Just as Jesus of Nazareth said:

Eyes you have but you can't see, ears you have but can't understand.

Do you think people worshiping in different ways are the ones behind killing their neighbours?

Let me take you back the memory lane:
Before the whiteman came to Africa our people have their traditional forms of religion and each has different rules. The worshipers of Ọ̀ṣun ṣẹ̀ngẹ̀sẹ́, Èṣù ọ̀dàrà, Ṣàngó, Ọ̀sanyìn, Olú-òkun (Olókun), Ifá (Ọ̀rúnmìlà) and many more have their dos and donts which adherents holds so dearly and religiously but since our traditional Kings view themselves as demigods none of these gods control the affairs of their domain no matter what the priests of this gods say it's either they are appeased with sacrifice or sent out of their domain along with the priest of any god trying to take control of their political affairs.

But when the whitemen came they noticed that African kings have the final say while the gods are just advisers on issues no matter how serious it is so they began attacking the gods in a subtle way using schools to change the thinking of the African child until our gods became irrelevant before educated Africans who has been taught how to rule over our kings with the support of the whiteman.

So that's how politics took over from our kings and rendered our gods irrelevant before the African child whose parents now wants him or her to become lawyers, doctors, engineers, professors and many more. All these professionals are the same people that formed our political system under supervision of the white supremacists.

Now let's ask ourselves: Is religion the problem or politics?

Remember we have our traditional religions and political system before the whiteman (English) came so they attacked our religion because they realized it has no grip on our political system and they already had the experience of how Rome ruled for centuries using religion as cover-up.
Do you know why British colonials fully backed the North and insisted that we must merge as one nation for independence despite knowing fully well that we are not in any way compatible?
Well it's because they prefer to hand over power to the North as they've discovered that their religion has a grip on their political system unlike the south.

So stop blaming RELIGION it's not the cause of world's problem rather it's POLITICS!

MaxInDHouse:


Just as Jesus of Nazareth said:

Eyes you have but you can't see, ears you have but can't understand.

Do you think people worshiping in different ways are the ones behind killing their neighbours?

Let me take you back the memory lane:
Before the whiteman came to Africa our people have their traditional forms of religion and each has different rules. The worshipers of Ọ̀ṣun ṣẹ̀ngẹ̀sẹ́, Èṣù ọ̀dàrà, Ṣàngó, Ọ̀sanyìn, Olú-òkun (Olókun), Ifá (Ọ̀rúnmìlà) and many more have their dos and donts which adherents holds so dearly and religiously but since our traditional Kings view themselves as demigods none of these gods control the affairs of their domain no matter what the priests of this gods say it's either they are appeased with sacrifice or sent out of their domain along with the priest of any god trying to take control of their political affairs.

But when the whitemen came they noticed that African kings have the final say while the gods are just advisers on issues no matter how serious it is so they began attacking the gods in a subtle way using schools to change the thinking of the African child until our gods became irrelevant before educated Africans who has been taught how to rule over our kings with the support of the whiteman.

So that's how politics took over from our kings and rendered our gods irrelevant before the African child whose parents now wants him or her to become lawyers, doctors, engineers, professors and many more. All these professionals are the same people that formed our political system under supervision of the white supremacists.

Now let's ask ourselves: Is religion the problem or politics?

Remember we have our traditional religions and political system before the whiteman (English) came so they attacked our religion because they realized it has no grip on our political system and they already had the experience of how Rome ruled for centuries using religion as cover-up.
Do you know why British colonials fully backed the North and insisted that we must merge as one nation for independence despite knowing fully well that we are not in any way compatible?
Well it's because they prefer to hand over power to the North as they've discovered that their religion has a grip on their political system unlike the south.

So stop blaming RELIGION it's not the cause of world's problem rather it's POLITICS!

I don't agree with you but I will be brief.
The founder of Nigerian nationalism is Sir Herbert Macaulay. He was quoted to have said that like his moustache is glued to him, so must the North and South be glued together or words to that effect. He died as a Nigerian nationalist thinking it would be a great nation. Then the British did not hand over to anybody, the Northerners were assertive and insisted they would go it alone if not given the PM position, Dr Azikiwe obliged them. Tell me again how the British handed over Nigeria to Northerners. Without being given PM position, they would have broken the country. All this history is not hidden.
Then religion is just another excuse to fight wars. Do you really think we need more reasons and avenues to hate, fight and kill each other? It is bad enough as it is. We did not have religion in the past. Just theology and traditions

vdestro:


As you, donbenie, lortreed and other atheists have shown here, you people are very very evil and even more dangerous than a cobra in a classroom

With the likes of you Fanatics..
No wonder religion has torn Nigeria asunder..
And your problem are Atheists?
Atheists are the ones that murdered and burn Deborah?
Atheists are the ones that turned the North East into a warzone?
Atheists are the ones turning families against each other, with false prophecies?
Ogbeni,shift.

donbenie:

With the likes of you Fanatics..
No wonder religion has torn Nigeria asunder..
And your problem are Atheists?
Atheists are the ones that murdered and burn Deborah?
Atheists are the ones that turned the North East into a warzone?
Atheists are the ones turning families against each other, with false prophecies?
Ogbeni,shift.

All murderers, bandits, falss prophets are atheists. You are all evils alike, so you have not said anything of value.

vdestro:


All murderers, bandits, falss prophets are atheists. You are all evils alike, so you have not said anything of value.

Most people caught doing these things have religion and even carry it on their heads. Many are clergy. Most atheists have high moral standards

lawani:


Most people caught doing these things have religion and even carry it on their heads. Many are clergy. Most atheists have high moral standards

All men are religious and it is the religion of atheists to do evil, as you and your brothers have proven.

vdestro:


All men are religious and it is the religion of atheists to do evil, as you and your brothers have proven.

Nobody does evil openly. They always hide behind things like religion but many religionists don't know they are promoting evil while some of their kingpins know and are skilled manipulators

lawani:


Nobody does evil openly. They always hide behind things like religion but many religionists don't know they are promoting evil while some of their kingpins know and are skilled manipulators

Whether evil is done in secret or openly, it still remains evil and the doer is evil worthy of recieving the same evil he has given *making him pay to the same degree" as you rightly said.

vdestro:


All murderers, bandits, falss prophets are atheists. You are all evils alike, so you have not said anything of value.

So,in other words..
There's no difference between an Atheist and people who murder for their heavenly father,?
And your Daddy GOs,in their minted Churches..
Who parade about with their fake prophecies?
Thank God am an Atheist..😂

vdestro:


All men are religious and it is the religion of atheists to do evil, as you and your brothers have proven.

All men are born Atheist..
Until the likes of you,gets hold of them and brainwash them with your superstitious drivels..

lawani:

We did not have religion in the past. Just theology and traditions

Ọmọ we do have our own religion that's what you're not getting!

Unlike politics each region has their traditional religions and it's numerous that's why the gods had no grip on our political system, each religion with it's god and our kings were also referred to as "ọba igbákejì òrìṣà" meaning "king second in command to the deities"
The kings do consult different deities for what they call cleansing of our lands and each god has it's adherents who adhere strictly to the rules of the deity that's what makes you think we don't have our own religion.
In Yorùbá land alone we have Ṣàngó worshipers, Ògún worshipers, Ọbàtátá worshipers, Èṣù worshipers, Ifá worshipers and each of these religions do name their children according to their deity: Ṣàngótádé (Ṣàngó worshiper) Ògúnjọbí (Ògún worshiper) Èṣùbíyì (Èṣù worshiper) Fákúnlé (Ifá worshiper)

The only difference is our people can go anywhere they like it's only the priests of these deities that are static as for those patronizing them they can go anywhere for help.

But when the whitemen came they decided to render the gods irrelevant so that our people may be carried away with their political system that's why today you can't find anyone in the house of Assembly, Governor or President who will tell you he's/she's a Traditionalists all of them are either claiming Christian or Muslim because with these religions the adherents are expected to be immovable with their stand!