donbenie:
All men are born Atheist..
Until the likes of you,gets hold of them and brainwash them with your superstitious drivels..

Humans are born without culture but with culture comes theology and there is no culture that does not believe in spirits and have a mathematical means of communicating with them. Humans are not born atheists but are born without culture. You are human only because of other humans. A human raised by animals won't be a human. It won't have language

donbenie:

All men are born Atheist..
Until the likes of you,gets hold of them and brainwash them with your superstitious drivels..

Did people automatically develop
Language
Table manners
Hygiene
Dressing and grooming
Dancing
Singing and many more without being taught?

Ọmọ morality must also be inculcated just like these things so each person is responsible for what he infused in the heart of their children that's why it's necessary you make a thorough research before picking up what to believe meanwhile atheism and agnosticm is not left out because both are forms of beliefs so if you choose to teach your child that there's no God that's what you want your child to BELIEVE!

MaxInDHouse:

Did people automatically develop
Language
Table manners
Hygiene
Dressing and grooming
Dancing
Singing and many more without being taught?

Ọmọ morality must also be inculcated just like these things so each person is responsible for what he infused in the heart of their children that's why it's necessary you make a thorough research before picking up what to believe meanwhile atheism and agnosticm is not left out because both are forms of beliefs so if you choose to teach your child that there's no God that's what you want your child to BELIEVE!

Morality is NOT synonymous with religion..

I don't have to be religious to have morals,that's a fallacy..

The ability to feel empathy,does not require you to believe in a higher being..

So, I don't have to brainwash my children into believing in some all knowing Supernatural being,to make them better humans..

Meanwhile,the claim was that man was born with religion and that is obviously not true..

No man is born with the knowledge of any God,it is a learned pattern of behaviour and so my assertion stands.

donbenie:

Morality is NOT synonymous with religion..
I don't have to be religious to have morals,that's a fallacy.. The ability to feel empathy,does not require you to believe in a higher being.. So, I don't have to brainwash my children into believing in some all knowing Supernatural being,to make them better humans.. Meanwhile,the claim was that man was born with religion and that is obviously not true.. No man is born with the knowledge of any God,it is a learned pattern of behaviour and so my assertion stands.

You misconstrued the highlighted!

Humans were born with the instinct that there are higher intelligent beings that's why you can never find any culture no matter how remotely distant they are from civilization where those living there don't have the idea of God or Gods because morality is tied to the thought that some supernatural beings are in support of virtue.

lawani:


Humans are born without culture but with culture comes theology and there is no culture that does not believe in spirits and have a mathematical means of communicating with them. Humans are not born atheists but are born without culture. You are human only because of other humans. A human raised by animals won't be a human. It won't have language

No man is born with culture and therefore,no man is also born with a knowledge or believe in a God..

Atheism is the ABSENCE OF A BELIEVE IN A SUPERNATURAL BEING..

If you presupposes that to believe in a God you need a culture,then my assertion stands..

ALL MEN ARE BORN ATHEIST.

donbenie:

ALL MEN ARE BORN ATHEIST.

Sorry this is a lie because atheism in itself is a form of BELIEVE just say humans are born with blank brains so if you have a child today keep him/her somewhere so that the child won't interact with anyone not even a sign language just keep food close to him/her as he/she is growing up to the stage where the brain starts absorbing information, don't speak to the child, no music, no videos just make sure the child is all alone with food and see what you'll have after ten years.
You will come back and thank religion!

MaxInDHouse:


You misconstrued the highlighted!

Humans were born with the instinct that there are higher intelligent beings that's why you can never find any culture no matter how remotely distant they are from civilization where those living there don't have the idea of God or Gods because morality is tied to the thought that some supernatural beings are in support of virtue.

It is natural for man to wonder where life and the world originated from..

Believing that a Supernatural Being brought about the existence of life,is a natural consequence of Primitive societies..

What else are they supposed to believe?

All it takes, is for someone to claim
to speak for some godly being and a religion is born..

And no ,I don't need religion to learn morality..

The same religion that supports slavery?

The same religion that supports human sacrifices?

The same religion that urges you to born unbelievers at the stake?

History have shown that societies where religion was used as a guiding principle for morality,repression and persecution holds sway..

Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and many Christian Sects are modern examples..

MaxInDHouse:


Sorry this is a lie because atheism in itself is a form of BELIEVE just say humans are born with blank brains so if you have a child today keep him/her somewhere so that the child won't interact with anyone not even a sign language just keep food close to him/her as he/she is growing up to the stage where the brain starts absorbing information, don't speak to the child, no music, no videos just make sure the child is all alone with food and see what you'll have after ten years.
You will come back and thank religion!

Atheism is not a form of BELIEVE..

Atheism is the ABSENCE OF BELIEVE..

It is very simple,you believe in a God..

Atheism says,PROVE IT..

That is not a believe system..

donbenie:

It is natural for man to wonder where life and the world originated from.. Believing that a Supernatural Being brought about the existence of life,is a natural consequence of Primitive societies..

So ATHEISM is not part of the human society while BELIEVE in God is as hold as mankind.

Thanks for admitting this!

donbenie:

Atheism is not a form of BELIEVE..
Atheism is the ABSENCE OF BELIEVE..
It is very simple,you believe in a God..
Atheism says,PROVE IT..
That is not a believe system..

There you go!

I BELIEVE in God you BELIEVE in no God then you're asking me to prove my BELIEF why not you prove yours as you believe in no God.

Perhaps you don't understand what BELIEVE really means it connotes TRUST so if i trust that there is God my attitude will go in line with what i believe and if you believe in no God your attitude will be in line with what you believe!

MaxInDHouse:


So ATHEISM is not part of the human society while BELIEVE in God is as hold as mankind.

Thanks for admitting this!

Man is born without any knowledge of God..

He grows and naturally wonders how the world came about..

Merchants of religion naturally steps in,to feed him with unsubstantiated tales of their heavenly grandpa..

Until,he begins to question the veracity of their Tales By Moonlight..🥱

MaxInDHouse:


There you go!

I BELIEVE in God you BELIEVE in no God then you're asking me to prove my BELIEF why not you prove yours as you believe in no God.

Perhaps you don't understand what BELIEVE really means it connotes TRUST so if i trust that there is God my attitude will go in line with what i believe and if you believe in no God your attitude will be in line with what you believe!

To Believe means to accept without proof..

How can I have a believe when I asked for proofs?

You see how that sounds?

Atheism asked for proofs..

If I asked for proofs..

Then I don't BELIEVE..😂

donbenie:
To Believe means to accept without prove..
How can I have a believe when I asked for proofs? You see how that sounds? Atheism asked for proofs.. If I asked for proofs..
Then I don't BELIEVE..😂

Your opinion would have work with misinformed religionists but with one of Jehovah's Witnesses it won't.
WHY?
I BELIEVE there is nothing like Ghost while most people BELIEVE in Ghosts so asking for proof can't be one sided!

MaxInDHouse:


Your opinion would have work with misinformed religionists but with one of Jehovah's Witnesses it won't.
WHY?
I BELIEVE there is nothing like Ghost while most people BELIEVE in Ghosts so asking for proof can't be one sided!

There's nothing one sided about a proof..

It is TANGIBLE, VERIFIABLE and REPLICATEABLE.

If it doesn't meet these criterias,then it's all hot air..😂

donbenie:
There's nothing one sided about a proof..
It is TANGIBLE, VERIFIABLE and REPLICATEABLE.
If it doesn't meet these criterias,then it's all hot air..😂

Ọmọ it's one sided!
Billions of people around you are of the opinion that there is God/Gods but you woke up one day and say there is no God it's either way to make them BELIEVE what you're saying you too should be able to prove it after all you met people with the concept globally!

Gravity and black holes aren't visible yet they're BELIEVED globally because of the reactions of objects close to them so if you're saying there is no God you should be able to explain why mankind throughout history have always had the idea, what exactly has been driving mankind towards that end?

The proof of God is that you can use a tool to predict the future. We are in a matrix and the end is predetermined by God. Only God knows the end from the beginning. Read up Adam Smith's invisible hand theory. It says people taking part in self interested actions whether evil or good will always result in an end beneficial for the whole which was never the original intention of any of the actors. This is what is always happening in the world. We are not in charge. God is in charge. All we can authour is our next action. God is the author of the play. IFA reading for the year ending June next year is Ogunda Ose for the world at Oke Igeti. Conquest will lead to creation/new beginning. At oke Itase it was Irosun Osa conflict will lead to blessings for the world. All these will happen to the world this year. I can use Ifa to read your mind, check what happened in the past, receive a message telepathically, ask any question. Life is much more than the physical. If you do anything in secret, I assure you Karma will catch up with you. Who do you think is in charge of all that if not unseen beings headed by God?. However religion is totally wrong and all I have been describing is scientific theism. GOD EXISTS and He is in charge but it is alright if you want to be an atheist. An atheist however can't be a Babalawo because you have to pray before using the oracle. Be an atheist but don't go killing people for believing in God

donbenie:
No man is born with culture and therefore,no man is also born with a knowledge or believe in a God..

Atheism is the ABSENCE OF A BELIEVE IN A SUPERNATURAL BEING..

If you presupposes that to believe in a God you need a culture,then my assertion stands..

ALL MEN ARE BORN ATHEIST.

It is culture that makes you a human being.

donbenie:
All men are born Atheist..
Until the likes of you,gets hold of them and brainwash them with your superstitious drivels..

Only evils are born atheists and no one needs to tell them that it was better they were not born than to be born and become an atheist.

donbenie:
So,in other words..
There's no difference between an Atheist and people who murder for their heavenly father,?
And your Daddy GOs,in their minted Churches..
Who parade about with their fake prophecies?
Thank God am an Atheist..😂

Thank God you confess you are an evil.
So, now you know you have met more of your evil family members. More evils to you and your family

lawani:
If you are in a group or association in which you will be killed if you leave or you are being threatened of hell fire if you leave, then you are in a cult group. It does not matter if they are non violent. Threatening people with hell fire is enough. When you remain in such a group Oyeku meji is cast for you and you need to watch it.

Christianity doesn't threaten you it gives you a choice it's up to you to choose your path and you face the consequences of your choice.

That's aside is do you know any Godwin Lawani?

lawani:
If you are in a group or association in which you will be killed if you leave or you are being threatened of hell fire if you leave, then you are in a cult group. It does not matter if they are non violent. Threatening people with hell fire is enough. When you remain in such a group Oyeku meji is cast for you and you need to watch it.

the reason I support your statement is the stigmatization given to anyone who is not of the same religion as you, Christians are not exempted, God clearly stated love your neighbor as yourself self, he didn't say fellow Christians but what we see today is disheartening, it's what cult groups do, attacking anyone who is of a different group

Lawag3:


Christianity doesn't threaten you it gives you a choice it's up to you to choose your path and you face the consequences of your choice.

That's aside is do you know any Godwin Lawani?

Choice should be without consequences, if you are attaching rewards and punishment to those that don’t worship you, is that not threatening?

Can’t you love god willingly without rewards of heaven?

Lawag3:


Christianity doesn't threaten you it gives you a choice it's up to you to choose your path and you face the consequences of your choice.

That's aside is do you know any Godwin Lawani?

Somebody pointing a gun at you is not threatening you?. Threatening people with hell fire for not believing fairy tales is terrorism and mind control. It is a bit worse than open cultism that young people do because it is to do with the mind

Lawag3:


Christianity doesn't threaten you it gives you a choice it's up to you to choose your path and you face the consequences of your choice.

That's aside is do you know any Godwin Lawani?

Your money or your life is another choice similar to what Christianity gives. I don't know Godwin Lawani. My name is Akin Lawanson

lawani:


Your money or your life is another choice similar to what Christianity gives. I don't know Godwin Lawani. My name is Akin Lawanson

Answer my questions is there consequences for wrong doings?

Yes right? Christianity doesn't gives you a choice per say it only tells you the punishment for doing evil and tells you the rewards for good it shows you what's good and how to do good? Then it's up to you to choose.

Is that wrong?

lawani:


Somebody pointing a gun at you is not threatening you?. Threatening people with hell fire for not believing fairy tales is terrorism and mind control. It is a bit worse than open cultism that young people do because it is to do with the mind

What evidence do you have to show it's fairy tale. Like I said most christians do not threaten. When you tell a person if you kill a person you will be hanged to death for murder you are just telling him the consequences of that action.

If a Christian comes to preach to you he only does that because he loves you. He has other things he could do but decided saving from you from hell is more important. He doesn't care that he'll may not exists he is doing it anyway even to strangers I see that as love. You may see it as a threat because your conscience will tell you you are guilty.

Maynman:

Choice should be without consequences, if you are attaching rewards and punishment to those that don’t worship you, is that not threatening?

Can’t you love god willingly without rewards of heaven?

Even in our everyday life we can see that every choice comes with either good or bad consequences. That how life works.

Lawag3:


Even in our everyday life we can see that every choice comes with either good or bad consequences. That how life works.

That’s not free choice, we are reacting to those consequences.
Just like they ban crypto, one has to comply because of the consequences, left with free choice one wouldn’t.

It is like you gave a kid different junks like biscuit and sweets and you tell him to pick anyone he likes, he will pick anyone he likes without any fear of consequences, but once you attach punishment or rewards to his choice you have limited him and he is only reacting to your consequences, deep down that is not the kid choice.

If you remove hell and heaven, how many yahweh worshippers truly love yawheh, they are scared of the consequences of the loving god.

Maynman:

That’s not free choice, we are reacting to those consequences.
Just like they ban crypto, one has to comply because of the consequences, left with free choice one wouldn’t.

It is like you gave a kid different junks likes biscuit and sweets and you tell him to pick anyone he likes, he will pick anyone he likes without any fear of consequences, but once you attach punishment or rewards to his choice you have limited him and he is only reacting to your consequences, deep down that side not the kid choice.

If you remove hell and heaven, how many yahweh worshippers truly love yawheh, they are scared of the consequences of the loving god.

So what are the things God says people should not do are they wrong?

Consequences of action are part of life when that child sees that the biscuits he picks are not good for his health he may end up picking another one because he doesn't want to get sick.

Lawag3:


So what are the things God says people should not do are they wrong?

Consequences of action are part of life when that child sees that the biscuits he picks are not good for his health he may end up picking another one because he doesn't want to get sick.

Since you have given him free will to pick anyone then it’s not your business on what the kid chose, since you said the kid have free choice.

Before you gave him those junks you should have inspected it.

Lawag3:


What evidence do you have to show it's fairy tale. Like I said most christians do not threaten. When you tell a person if you kill a person you will be hanged to death for murder you are just telling him the consequences of that action.

If a Christian comes to preach to you he only does that because he loves you. He has other things he could do but decided saving from you from hell is more important. He doesn't care that he'll may not exists he is doing it anyway even to strangers I see that as love. You may see it as a threat because your conscience will tell you you are guilty.

What Christians say is that God will burn you in hell for unbelief. Not crimes but unbelief. We are talking of holy unbelievers here. You can't be threatening law abiding people with hell fire. God is not an immoral bastard. Do you get it?. Even if you nuke the whole world for doing nothing wrong, hell fire or infinite punishment will still be gross but Christians threaten holy people. I don't support that