striktlymi:

Good morning Ij,

You really do need to understand Sacred scriptures. Christ taught us two lessons from that passage of Sacred scriptures. His perfect unity with the Father which is borne via his divine nature and our share in that union which he won for us via the cross.

This is the same confusion that comes when you and Boomark seem to suggest that we are Sons of God just like Christ is a Son of God. Bro Ij, this is erroneous! Christ's 'Sonship' was not won through the cross but was borne out of this Eternal union he has with the Father whereas ours is borne via the 'price' paid on the cross.

God has no equal cause there is only one God; not two or three or many Gods as you guys keep suggesting when you say that Christ is a Mighty God while the Father is the Almighty God. Frosbel 'unwittingly' brought out this passage:


Isaiah 40:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.

which explains perfectly that when Isaiah gave this prophecy:

Isaiah 9:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

he was referring to the one true God who does not entertain any comparison with anyone. If Christ can be given attributes that are reserved strictly for this one true God without incurring His wrath, then it says a lot about who Christ is and the reason why this is.

It is very clear through Sacred scriptures that Christ and the Father share one essence which he alluded to by saying that He and the Father are one. Going through Sacred scriptures only strengthens my convictions about the Trinity teaching.

Sentiments like this:



are not what guide my study of Sacred scriptures.

truthislight: There is an institution that is very powerful and does infiltrate and owns institution and affects definitions and worldly knowledge even the bible.

Did she not removed God's personal name from the bible?

truthislight:
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).

Ubenedictus: Interesting! I'm really missing stuff
I Mr Ubenedictus hereby endorse this message.
Hehehehehe.
Strik help me pray say goshen no catch me dey use e words.

striktlymi:

You really are very funny! I asked you to tell us how they are substantially different, you are sending me a link to a nak*d woman.

Now here, oya show us how they are substantially different.


e·ter·nal
/iˈtərnl/
Adjective
Lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
(of truths, values, or questions) Valid for all time; essentially unchanging.
Synonyms
everlasting - perpetual - timeless - undying - perennial


e·ter·ni·ty
/iˈtərnitē/
Noun
Infinite or unending time.
A state to which time has no application; timelessness.
Synonyms
perpetuity - aeon - everlasting - eon - immortality

Boomark:
Bro am not the one that said what was written in john.
He said his Father is our Father, his God is our God. I don't know how else you want to put it so that that person he called his Father will no longer be our Father.

Where do you want to get our own Father from if it is not the same Father? How do you want to split that same person into two Fathers? Please tell us.

ijawkid:
My guy where you go na ??you go settle bokoharam and FG there fight??.......
That strikt comment wey you dey endorse dey under serious scrutiny o.......ask strikt....

Ubenedictus: i'm not back yet, the project i'm engaging will consume my much mental energy for atleast 3 months. Theres a world out there, I'm just passing by.
Those comments will stand the test of time even if no catholics are left on nl to defend it, it will still remain true.

Ubenedictus: hehehehe,
i'm really surprised you seriously missed the message of those words "my father and thy father, my God and thy God". By using that phase Jesus was refering to God as His father in a unique and exclusive sense.
When he speaks of the father in heaven he either say "my father or "thy father" but never "our father" (note: the "our father" is not Jesus' prayer for himself, the the prayer of his discipies cf mt6:9). If you were a good student of sacred scripture you would have noticed this.
Wouldnt it have been more convenient to say i'm going to "our father and God"? But he doesn't say that, he clearly differentiate his sonship from ours he say "my father and your father" he even differentiate d dominion over us and over him when he say " to my God and your God" instead of "our God".
He was begotten not adopted jn1:14 say "and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only-begotten of the father". Jn1:18 even goes futher: "the only-begotten... Who is in the bosom of the father hath decleared him"

no one is "spilting" fathers! The message is clear, even when d father is our father, his fatherhood to Jesus is a unique, exclusive paternity thus d son is called the only/sole-begotten.
Peace

ijawkid:

no one is arguing here that our being sons of God is on the same level with that of Jesus....

the bane Here is that the same Father of Jesus is our Father and that Jesus is not that Father...i dont see how all your explanation wants to avoid that truth...

we(Jesus and all of us) all have one thing in common.....we all came from the Father...

ube do you agree or not?...

read Hebrews 2:11

New Living Translation (©2007)
So now Jesus and the ones he makes holy have the same Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them his brothers and sisters.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,

the bolded solves all the wahala....

Jesus being the only begotten son of God and the firstborn of all creation does not change the fact that we and Jesus all share and have the same Father and that Jesus is not that Father....

ijawkid:

stand which test of time?....

ask strikt if it would...... .....

truthislight:

are you sure what you have there is the link of the wiki for Eternal? No.

truthislight:
I had posted the definition of eternal befor, please confirm the them.

truthislight:
Here is the wiki definition for eternity:

truthislight:
Eternity
"Sempiternal" redirects here. For the fourth studio album by Bring Me the Horizon, see Sempiternal (album).
For other uses, see Eternity (disambiguation).

truthislight:
Time

Major Concepts
Past ♦ Present ♦ Future
Eternity
Arguments for eternity
Broad Studies
Chronology
History
(Paleontology)
Futurology
Philosophy
Presentism ♦ Eternalism,
Fatalism
Philosophy of Space and Time
Religion
Creation
End Times
Day of Judgement
Immortality
Afterlife ♦ Reincarnation
Kalachakra
Time measurement and Standards
Metric Time ♦ Hexadecimal time
Related

truthislight:
Spacetime,
Motion ♦ Space
Event ♦ Continuum
Time Travel ♦ (Grandfather Paradox)
v · t · e

truthislight:
An allegorical painting of a woman, representing eternity. She holds an hourglass, a skull rests on the table beside her, and an Ouroboros floats above her head. All of these are common symbols of eternity.

truthislight:
Eternity (or forever) is endless time. In philosophy and mathematics, an infinite duration is also called sempiternity, or everlasting. Eternity is an important concept in many religions, where the immortality of God (or the gods) is said to endure eternally. Some, such as Aristotle, would say the same about the natural cosmos in regard to both past and future eternal duration, and like the eternal Platonic Forms, immutability was considered essential.

striktlymi:

Now Boomark, calm down and let's reason this together...

Sacred scriptures was explicit on the existence of Christ before Abraham and indeed before the world began...

John 8:58
King James Version (KJV)[/b]
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


2 Timothy 1:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It takes a proper understanding of Sacred scriptures to get it all together. Your claim that Christ never existed before he was born is quite incorrect.

Prophesying that a child will be born to us who will be called all those names is just another way of telling us that some time in the future, God is going to come to the Earth and take human form just as it is written in Sacred scriptures:

John 1:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.[/i]

Indeed the word becoming flesh is a future event from the time of Isaiah, but this does not in any way imply that the word has not been in existence. Further reference of sacred scriptures to this fact include:

John 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.


John 17:5-6
King James Version (KJV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with [b]the glory which I had with thee before the world was.[/i]

Thank you!

striktlymi:

SENTIMENTS!!!

Ubenedictus: this is still polytheism, have u read d greek mythology, zeus is God over d earth god, that is d samething u are preaching!

Boomark:

This is your quote. You are acting out that thing i said that have taking over catholics...DELUSION.

From the bolded:
I then said, if(assuming) Isaiah during his time was given a prophecy which states, "THE WORD SHALL BECOME FLESH."

Like you said, this is a future event from the time of Isaiah. DOES IT MEAN THE WORD IS FLESH IN HEAVEN AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHECY? NO!

The child SHALL BE CALLED Eternal father. DOES IT MEAN THE CHILD IS CALLED ETERNAL FATHER IN HEAVEN AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHECY? NO!

This is simple english but delusion will make anyone fail it woefully.
Stop digressing. I never said Jesus did not pre-exist. Our focus is on what the child SHALL become and not what the child IS in heaven.

striktlymi: Good morning truthislight,

It is sad that you do not know very simple concepts even after Italo gave you 'expo'...



Do you know how wiki is even used? It is obvious you don't from the links you provided.



From wiki abi?



Now let us see what Mr. truthislight is calling definition...



"Sempiternal redirects here"?? "for the fourth studio album"??..."for other uses"



You call the above definitions?? LWKMD!!!



Did you even read what you posted?? "Time travel"?



Do you mind stop given us links to nak*d women?



Adjective

eternal (not comparable)

Lasting forever; unending.
2012 May 27, Nathan Rabin, “TV: Review: THE SIMPSONS (CLASSIC): “New Kid On The Block” (season 4, episode 8; originally aired 11/12/1992)”, The Onion AV Club:
In a bid to understand the eternal mystery that is woman, Bart goes to the least qualified possible source for advice and counsel: his father, who remarkably seems to have made it to his mid-30s without quite figuring out much of anything.
(philosophy) existing outside time; as opposed to sempiternal, existing within time but everlastingly
http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/eternal#section_1

Now let us stoop to the level of truthislight and make wiki our dictionary. I have Mr truthislight's definitions for both Eternity and Eternal. Is there any difference between the two? The substance of both definitions are the same but truthislight does not know this?

Your delusion cannot even make you see that Eternal and Eternity are substantially the same. I definitely will not be the one to teach you about nouns and adjective.

Please don't take this as an insult, but which University did you attend? I just want to know Universities my unborn Children will NEVER attend

truthislight:


eternal

(philosophy) existing outside time; as opposed to sempiternal,


1. existing within time but everlastingly
Synonyms:
(lasting forever; unending): permanent,


2. sempiternal, endless, everlasting
(existing outside time, philosophy): timeless,

http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/eternal#section_1

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we are humans and live Withing time, as such the "philosophical" definition of eternal of when Jesus became our father is not necessary here(outside time) but a definition "Withing time" since human has a start.

Under definition 1 above we have this as sysnonyms:
(lasting forever; unending): permanent,
= futuristic.
Thanks

truthislight:


And to give more clarification:


permanentAdd an image to this article

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English
Etymology

Used in English since 15th century, from Middle French permanent, from Latin permanens, from permanēo (“I stay to the end”).
Pronunciation
Audio (US) (file)

Adjective

permanent (comparative more permanent, superlative most permanent)
Without end, "eternal."
Nothing in this world is truly permanent.
Lasting for an indefinitely long time.
The countries are now locked in a permanent state of conflict.
Antonyms
impermanent, temporary
Derived terms
permanent way
Related terms
permadeath
permafrost
permatemp
Translations
without end


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it is about the future not having an end and not about the past.

truthislight:

are you sure what you have there is the link of the wiki for Eternal? No.

I had posted the definition of eternal befor, please confirm the them.

Here is the wiki definition for eternity:


Eternity
"Sempiternal" redirects here. For the fourth studio album by Bring Me the Horizon, see Sempiternal (album).
For other uses, see Eternity (disambiguation).
Time

Major Concepts
Past ♦ Present ♦ Future
Eternity
Arguments for eternity
Broad Studies
Chronology
History
(Paleontology)
Futurology
Philosophy
Presentism ♦ Eternalism,
Fatalism
Philosophy of Space and Time
Religion
Creation
End Times
Day of Judgement
Immortality
Afterlife ♦ Reincarnation
Kalachakra
Time measurement and Standards
Metric Time ♦ Hexadecimal time
Related

Spacetime,
Motion ♦ Space
Event ♦ Continuum
Time Travel ♦ (Grandfather Paradox)
v · t · e


An allegorical painting of a woman, representing eternity. She holds an hourglass, a skull rests on the table beside her, and an Ouroboros floats above her head. All of these are common symbols of eternity.

Eternity (or forever) is endless time. In philosophy and mathematics, an infinite duration is also called sempiternity, or everlasting. Eternity is an important concept in many religions, where the immortality of God (or the gods) is said to endure eternally. Some, such as Aristotle, would say the same about the natural cosmos in regard to both[color=#990000] past and future eternal duration, and like the eternal Platonic Forms, immutability was considered essential.

truthislight:

Is that ^ the definition i had posted?
Same fraud, "like mother like son"
see:




Compare that of eternal to this below of eternity.



Maybe wiki dont know what you know.

I hope you notice the linking of eternity to God.

For the insult, you can keep it, it is your mouth and mind not my own.

Boomark:

Hebrews 5;6...
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever ,
in the order of Melchizedek.”

2 Timothy 1:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
where you there at the beginning of the world to received your own grace?
You call the revelation of Christ through the Holy spirit sentiment?
I have always known that Catholics are not Christians(Christ followers). They have their own reports.

striktlymi:

You don't even know your own definitions! Big shame!!!

#If you continue to be unintelligent, I will leave you to enjoy yourself.

Boomark:
John 10:30-35
King James Version (KJV)
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of thoseworks do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


Whose report do these Catholics believe oo!? Isaiah 53:1.
Ubenedictus, do you believe Jesus now. Or do you still stand with the error in the hearts and heads of the Jews.

truthislight:

Fraud!

It has eaten dip into all your fibre.

Why not promise to give me eternity and see the sort of education you have.

Did you not also see that eternity is compared to a snake swallowing its own tail on that wiki link? = infinity.

Did you not see other symbols explaining infinity? Was it so with that of the eternal page? No.

To you, Jesus that became our eternal father when he paid the ransom for Adamic sin is now our "eternal father" from infinity, were we humans their? No.

That you swallowed that lie tells alot about how rationally intelligent you are.

Why not try giving me eternity like you would eternal?
Rubbish!

Trinity rubbish!

That is how they(RCC) go out of the christian teaching and invoked tradition to cover the lies and say they are infelible.

What then will they say that tradition will not cover for them? Fraud! And lies under the guise of tradition.

What will they not do and say under the guise and umbrella of "tradition"? = fraud.

You are a good example of her product.

striktlymi:

[size=15pt] SENTIMENTS!!! When one lacks reason you befriend it[/size]

Yooguyz:
the above was an accidental slip of tongue of muskeeto

www.nairaland.com/1217311/dawkins-dunce-how-anony-deepsight/2
in the thread above some one was refering to striktlymi as musKeeto's troll

[b]

striktlymi:

SENTIMENTS!!!

Ubenedictus: learn to read and understand sacred scriptures. Read again, i just changed the emphasis by bolding the important, grace was given to us in christ before the foundation of the world, emphasis on "in christ", purpose and grace was given to me directly but was given to me IN CHRIST. That means i don't need to be alive during the foundation of the world, christ has recieved it on my behalf and in the fulness of time he has confered it to me!
Peace.

Boomark:

DELUSION!!!

You took a false bait, thinking i said Jesus never pre-exist. And that positioned and pointed my thermo-nuclear missile to your exposed nyash.

Ubenedictus: what exactly is your point?

striktlymi:

How Christ-like! Your arguments lack substance just like that of your friend truthislight.

Boomark:

It is not Christ-like to reject his words and call it sentiments.
What they have succeeded in teaching you is how to reject Christ and his word.

Jesus said, his Father is our Father, jn 20:17. So believe him. It is only delusion that will make you call his words "sentiments."

If Catholics feel inferior, they can go ahead and disqualify themselves from that grace. As for me, i call Him my Abba Father.

striktlymi:

...and who made you all teachers?