striktlymi:

SENTIMENTS!!!

Mr "SENTIMENTS!"

You that dont answer peoples questions but go round and avoid giving answer with unrelated statement.

Go back on this your thread and see how many time you have used the word "sentiment" as a cup out.

Even changing capital "L" from the word Lord from a bible passage befor posting it.

Are you a dishonest person or a fraud?

For the sake of other readers i had expected that you gave answers to all questions directed at you with explanations as to pass on "knowledge", unfortunately, that is too much to expect from you.

*sigh*

Mr "SENTIMENT".

truthislight:

Mr "SENTIMENTS!"

You that dont answer peoples questions but go round and avoid giving answer with unrelated statement.

Go back on this your thread and see how many time you have used the word "sentiment" as a cup out.

Even changing capital "L" from the word Lord from a bible passage befor posting it.

Are you a dishonest person or a fraud?

For the sake of other readers i had expected that you gave answers to all questions directed at you with explanations as to pass on "knowledge", unfortunately, that is too much to expect from you.

*sigh*

Mr "SENTIMENT".

The great web of delusion has 'catching' him.

We simply asked, "do we share the same Father with Jesus"? He said, "the question is tricky."

What if we come ask, "are we going to share the same inheritance with Jesus"? I wonder if he will say, "this is an evil question."

Bro Str, where you were before and where you chose to be a Christian are almost the same thing. If you find it difficult to answer simple questions little timothy, the Corinthians, etc would answer according to the letters written to them, the you have to RUN.

Good afternoon Boomark,

Boomark:

The great web of delusion has 'catching' him.

The above demonstrates that you know little about the bold! If you do know then you would realize that it applies to you more than it does to me. The simple test to know how deluded you are is ask yourself why you believe that sacred scriptures is inspired.

Boomark:
We simply asked, "do we share the same Father with Jesus"? He said, "the question is tricky."

I am a bit disappointed that you fail to recognize a trick question when you see one...or is it because you are the one asking the question? Every Christian who knows his/her onions can tell that the way Christ is the Son of God is different from the way we are sons and daughters of God. This I have explained before and in it lies the answer to your question.

May be the explanation is a bit too much for you to grasp. Think more in line with a child who is related to his father by blood and another who is related by adoption...would you call both the same kind of relationship with the father?

Boomark:
What if we come ask, "are we going to share the same inheritance with Jesus"? I wonder if he will say, "this is an evil question."

If you can show everyone that you and every Tom, Diick and Mariah will seat at the right hand of the Father like Jesus then I will agree that our inheritance with Jesus is the same.

The way you guys look at Jesus as just another Boomark or Ijawkid is really amazing! May be we all too can be called Eternal Father Just like Jesus in order to prove that our inheritance with him is the same.

Boomark:
Bro Str, where you were before and where you chose to be a Christian are almost the same thing. If you find it difficult to answer simple questions little timothy, the Corinthians, etc would answer according to the letters written to them, the you have to RUN.

The above does not make any sense!

striktlymi: Good afternoon Boomark,

The above demonstrates that you know little about the bold! If you do know then you would realize that it applies to you more than it does to me. The simple test to know how deluded you are is ask yourself why you believe that sacred scriptures is inspired.


I am a bit disappointed that you fail to recognize a trick question when you see one...or is it because you are the one asking the question? Every Christian who knows his/her onions can tell that the way Christ is the Son of God is different from the way we are sons and daughters of God. This I have explained before and in it lies the answer to your question.

May be the explanation is a bit too much for you to grasp. Think more in line with a child who is related to his father by blood and another who is related by adoption...would you call both the same kind of relationship with the father?

Good evening Str.

Let me teach you what it is to be deluded with bible and practical examples.

Jn 20:17
"...i am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God."

after showing you this and i ask you "do we share/have the same Father with Jesus"?

Being deluded because you have a false belief you are holding unto somewhere, you don't want to believe the truth Jesus said himself.

Another practical example pointing to your being deluded is this.

You have your own children and later adopted a boy. You became a Father to that boy. That boy and your own children share the same Father which is you. The rights and privileges of all your children differs.

Do you now see what it is like not to accept a known truth? It is equal to delusion.

If you can show everyone that you and every Tom, Diick and Mariah will seat at the right hand of the Father like Jesus then I will agree that our inheritance with Jesus is the same.

The way you guys look at Jesus as just another Boomark or Ijawkid is really amazing! May be we all too can be called Eternal Father Just like Jesus in order to prove that our inheritance with him is the same.

The above does not make any sense!

If a families inheritance is Nigeria, and the 1st son got 35 states while the rest got 1 state. Is this not the same inheritance which they shared?

Do you see that you have been deluded catholic doctrine. Unless you don't know and may be you are new. It pains me to use that word. If na italo, i have no skin pain.

Boomark:

Good evening Str.

Let me teach you what it is to be deluded with bible and practical examples.

Jn 20:17
"...i am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God."

after showing you this and i ask you "do we share/have the same Father with Jesus"?

Being deluded because you have a false belief you are holding unto somewhere, you don't want to believe the truth Jesus said himself.

Another practical example pointing to your being deluded is this.

You have your own children and later adopted a boy. You became a Father to that boy. That boy and your own children share the same Father which is you. The rights and privileges of all your children differs.

Do you now see what it is like not to accept a known truth? It is equal to delusion.



If a families inheritance is Nigeria, and the 1st son got 35 states while the rest got 1 state. Is this not the same inheritance which they shared?

Do you see that you have been deluded catholic doctrine. Unless you don't know and may be you are new. It pains me to use that word. If na italo, i have no skin pain.

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).

Boomark:

Good evening Str.

Let me teach you what it is to be deluded with bible and practical examples.

Jn 20:17
"...i am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God."

after showing you this and i ask you "do we share/have the same Father with Jesus"?

Being deluded because you have a false belief you are holding unto somewhere, you don't want to believe the truth Jesus said himself.

Another practical example pointing to your being deluded is this.

You have your own children and later adopted a boy. You became a Father to that boy. That boy and your own children share the same Father which is you. The rights and privileges of all your children differs.

Do you now see what it is like not to accept a known truth? It is equal to delusion.



If a families inheritance is Nigeria, and the 1st son got 35 states while the rest got 1 state. Is this not the same inheritance which they shared?

Do you see that you have been deluded catholic doctrine. Unless you don't know and may be you are new. It pains me to use that word. If na italo, i have no skin pain.

If this makes you feel good about yourself man, then go ahead and enjoy!

You win!


#I no get power for push me, I push you talk!

striktlymi:

If this makes you feel good about yourself man, then go ahead and enjoy!

You win!


#I no get power for push me, I push you talk!

Good morning Str

I will be happier to win you over to the truth and not the type of winning that will make my head big and swollen.

Were you are now will not give you the confidence to answer questions to things that are WRITTEN and even things said by Christ, eg jn 20:17.

Am not pushing for anything, just think about all that happened.

Boomark:

Good morning Str

I will be happier to win you over to the truth and not the type of winning that will make my head big and swollen.

Were you are now will not give you the confidence to answer questions to things that are WRITTEN and even things said by Christ, eg jn 20:17.

Am not pushing for anything, just think about all that happened.

Morning Boomark,

The arguments you guys have put forth is quite weak!

striktlymi:

Morning Boomark,

The arguments you guys have put forth is quite weak!

Keep calling them weak....when you are tired of your confused trinity dogmata you can come back to read john 20:17............

striktlymi:

Morning Boomark,

The arguments you guys have put forth is quite weak!

Bro am not the one that said what was written in john.

He said his Father is our Father, his God is our God. I don't know how else you want to put it so that that person he called his Father will no longer be our Father.

Where do you want to get our own Father from if it is not the same Father? How do you want to split that same person into two Fathers? Please tell us.

Boomark:

Bro am not the one that said what was written in john.

He said his Father is our Father, his God is our God. I don't know how else you want to put it so that that person he called his Father will no longer be our Father.

Where do you want to get our own Father from if it is not the same Father? How do you want to split that same person into two Fathers? Please tell us.

and how do you want to erase the fact that Christ was referred to as the Eternal Father?

striktlymi:

and how do you want to erase the fact that Christ was referred to as the Eternal Father?

That is never a problem. Isaiah said, he WOULD be called Eternal father. Before the prophecy, the children of israelite know that our heavenly Father IS their Father.

Jesus said, "...I and the CHILDREN which You have given me."
his children are Christian, his followers. They are the ones Eternal life has been prepared for. Ie they WOULD be given Eternal life. This does not mean they started existing from eternity.

That you have a father now does not mean you can't be a father tomorrow or even now.

father, grand-father, great grand-father, etc if all are alive at the same time, are all fathers. And their children children children are all their children.

Good morning Boomark,

Boomark:

That is never a problem. Isaiah said, he WOULD be called Eternal father. Before the prophecy, the children of israelite know that our heavenly Father IS their Father.

They surely do know this fact which makes the explanation you guys keep repeating, very weak. No one should be given a title reserved solely for God. The Israelites of the old testament would never do that unless that individual is the same as God.

Ask yourself why Caiaphas was upset that Christ claimed to be God's son...they know very well that when one makes such claims, the person makes himself God's equal let alone that individual claiming to be the Eternal Father. This was the ways of the old testament Jews. So for someone in the old testament to have such mentality and still call Christ Eternal Father, go a long way to show who Christ is.

Boomark:
Jesus said, "...I and the CHILDREN which You have given me."
his children are Christian, his followers. They are the ones Eternal life has been prepared for. Ie they WOULD be given Eternal life. This does not mean they started existing from eternity.

Some times I wonder where you guys get your interpretations of sacred scriptures from. First of, do you really understand what Eternal means? The fact that man can gain Eternal life has nothing to do with our existence. Eternal life is what it is, whether we existed or not. Eternal life belongs solely to God because he has no beginning and no end.

We only tap from this Eternal life which God has been gracious to grant us. We tap into what is already in existence and not that tapping into it implies that we already existed. Christ's Eternal fatherhood, was not tapped into...it existed before the advent of time.

Boomark:
That you have a father now does not mean you can't be a father tomorrow or even now.

The fact that we become fathers further gives credence to the point I raised. Our fatherhood here on Earth has a starting point and an End point, as such it would be very wrong to attribute 'Eternal' to it. Christ' Fatherhood is timeless and as such merit the status of Eternal.

Boomark:
father, grand-father, great grand-father, etc if all are alive at the same time, are all fathers. And their children children children are all their children.

The above is not in dispute but like I said before, any of the above cannot be called Eternal father.


Thank you!

You are missing something that made everything you believe in wrong. Follow what Isaiah said and not the way you or the church want to say it.

Isaiah 9:6
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For unto us a child is born, unto us ason is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This is talking an unborn child who will be given birth to in the future and not someone already existing as a father. The government SHALL be upon his shoulder. The unborn child SHALL BE CALLED Eternal father is not the same thing as the unborn child IS CALLED Eternal Father.

This where you get is wrong. Jesus was not a child in heaven who is called Eternal father. All these will take place in the future.

The prophecy never mentioned the name of someone who is already existing. So everything corresponds with something that will happen in the future.

"SHALL" is FUTURE, "IS" is PRESENT as of the time prophesy was given.

Do you get it now?

Boomark: You are missing something that made everything you believe in wrong. Follow what Isaiah said and not the way you or the church want to say it.

Isaiah 9:6
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For unto us a child is born, unto us ason is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This is talking an unborn child who will be given birth to in the future and not someone already existing as a father. The government SHALL be upon his shoulder. The unborn child SHALL BE CALLED Eternal father is not the same thing as the unborn child IS CALLED Eternal Father.

This where you get is wrong. Jesus was not a child in heaven who is called Eternal father. All these will take place in the future.

The prophecy never mentioned the name of someone who is already existing. So everything corresponds with something that will happen in the future.

"SHALL" is FUTURE, "IS" is PRESENT as of the time prophesy was given.

Do you get it now?

Now Boomark, calm down and let's reason this together...

Sacred scriptures was explicit on the existence of Christ before Abraham and indeed before the world began...

John 8:58
King James Version (KJV)
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


2 Timothy 1:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It takes a proper understanding of Sacred scriptures to get it all together. Your claim that Christ never existed before he was born is quite incorrect.

Prophesying that a child will be born to us who will be called all those names is just another way of telling us that some time in the future, God is going to come to the Earth and take human form just as it is written in Sacred scriptures:

John 1:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Indeed the word becoming flesh is a future event from the time of Isaiah, but this does not in any way imply that the word has not been in existence. Further reference of sacred scriptures to this fact include:

John 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.


John 17:5-6
King James Version (KJV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Thank you!

striktlymi:

Now Boomark, calm down and let's reason this together...

Sacred scriptures was explicit on the existence of Christ before Abraham and indeed before the world began...

John 8:58
King James Version (KJV)
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


2 Timothy 1:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It takes a proper understanding of Sacred scriptures to get it all together. Your claim that Christ never existed before he was born is quite incorrect.

Prophesying that a child will be born to us who will be called all those names is just another way of telling us that some time in the future, God is going to come to the Earth and take human form just as it is written in Sacred scriptures:

John 1:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Indeed the word becoming flesh is a future event from the time of Isaiah, but this does not in any way imply that the word has not been in existence. Further reference of sacred scriptures to this fact include:

John 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.


John 17:5-6
King James Version (KJV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Thank you!

I never said Jesus never existed before dwelling among us. I was trying to show you that the prophecy was all about the child and what he shall become in the future. It was not about the present state of Jesus in heaven as at the time the prophecy was made.

Let me follow it from you own line.

You said,

"Indeed the word becoming flesh is a future event from the time of Isaiah, but this does not in any way imply that the word has not been in existence."

Good. If Isaiah had said, "the Word shall become flesh," it is still a future event about what the Word shall become in the future.

The same applies to Isaiah 9:6 which says "the child shall be called Eternal father..." it is still a prophesy about the future of the child.

Boomark:

I never said Jesus never existed before dwelling among us. I was trying to show you that the prophecy was all about the child and what he shall become in the future. It was not about the present state of Jesus in heaven as at the time the prophecy was made.

Your words: "This is talking an unborn child who will be given birth to in the future and not someone already existing as a father." Unless you are saying that the Child and Jesus are two different persons.

I have asked you what you understand by the word Eternal but you haven't given an answer yet. Anyways, Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever. He does not change. The Jesus who existed with the Father in the beginning is still the same Jesus at birth.

Jesus did not get the name Eternal Father when he became man. The fact that the prophecy mentioned what he is to be known as, does not mean that was when he started being the Eternal Father. Eternal as I have mentioned before, denotes something or someone who has no beginning or end.

If Jesus Eternal Fatherhood began when he took flesh then this would make very little sense, cause as man whatever he has is just temporal. Eternity does not have a starting point as far as God is concerned.

Boomark:
Let me follow it from you own line.

You said,

Good. If Isaiah had said, "the Word shall become flesh," it is still a future event about what the Word shall become in the future.

The same applies to Isaiah 9:6 which says "the child shall be called Eternal father..." it is still a prophesy about the future of the child.

Care to remind me when I said the above?

Hebrews 5;6...
_______________________________
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”[b]
_______________________________

From strikts stiff necked stance we can also assume that Jesus had been a high priest in heaven before coming to the earth.........

Abi strikt??..........

Jesus didn't even act as eternal Father until after his death and ressurection.......same goes for his everlasting priesthood office...
.......

All these priviledges were given to him by the Father......

ijawkid: Hebrews 5;6...
_______________________________
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
_______________________________

From [b]strikts stiff necked stance we can also assume that Jesus had been a high priest in heaven before coming to the earth.........

Abi strikt??..........

Jesus didn't even act as eternal Father until after his death and ressurection.......same goes for his everlasting priesthood office...
.......

All these priviledges were given to him by the Father......

SENTIMENTS!!!

striktlymi:

SENTIMENTS!!!

you be my right hand man na.....you forget say na me and you suppose dey play right wing attack??....

ijawkid:

you be my right hand man na.....you forget say na me and you suppose dey play right wing attack??....

Now I am actually laughing!

striktlymi:


Eternity does not have a starting point as far as God is concerned.

^
The word under consideration is ETERNAL and not ETERNITY, PLEASE DOT TWIST.

ijawkid:

you be my right hand man na.....you forget say na me and you suppose dey play right wing attack??....

Dont forget that the Watchtower asks Jehovah's Witnesses to have nothing to do with Catholics...to not even speak with them.

Do you want to be disfellowshipped?

truthislight:

^
The word under consideration is ETERNAL and not ETERNITY, PLEASE DOT TWIST.

"Eternal" is the adjective of the noun "eternity."

What is wrong with these guys?

It's like saying you're talking about "wealthy'" not "wealth."

What manner of reasoning is that?

italo:

Dont forget that the Watchtower asks Jehovah's Witnesses to have nothing to do with Catholics...to not even speak with them.

Do you want to be disfellowshipped?

You be small pikin??.......

.......and who ever said we shouldn't speak with catholics??......e be like you just wan talk abi,,,,??

italo:

Dont forget that the Watchtower asks Jehovah's Witnesses to have nothing to do with Catholics...to not even speak with them.

Do you want to be disfellowshipped?

will you take that your Infantile talk out of this place and look for your mate to play with on sand?

What we are discussing here are supposed to be biblical doctrine That leads to eternal life.

But your type dont seems to know what is at stake for life:

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).
.........................................................................................

That ^^^ is what that matters.

Pure frustration and confussion is your problem it seems.

Come out with your doctrine let us examine them.
Peace

italo:

"Eternal" is the adjective of the noun "eternity."

What is wrong with these guys?

It's like saying you're talking about "wealthy'" not "wealth."

What manner of reasoning is that?

so human will be given eternity then like they will be given eternal life.
Thank you.

truthislight:

^
The word under consideration is ETERNAL and not ETERNITY, PLEASE DOT TWIST.

Can you tell us how Eternal is substantially different from Eternity?


#You would do well to keep your emotions in check!

truthislight:

so human will be given eternity then like they will be given eternal life.
Thank you.

dont forget we are talking about how Jesus became our eternal father.

striktlymi:

Can you tell us how Eternal is substantially different from Eternity?


#You would do well to keep your emotions in check!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity

their definition is diferent.

truthislight:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity

their definition is diferent.

You really are very funny! I asked you to tell us how they are substantially different, you are sending me a link to a nak*d woman.

Now here, oya show us how they are substantially different.


e·ter·nal
/iˈtərnl/
Adjective
Lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
(of truths, values, or questions) Valid for all time; essentially unchanging.
Synonyms
everlasting - perpetual - timeless - undying - perennial


e·ter·ni·ty
/iˈtərnitē/
Noun
Infinite or unending time.
A state to which time has no application; timelessness.
Synonyms
perpetuity - aeon - everlasting - eon - immortality

Boomark:

I understand you. This what i stand for with frosbel. They should have done well if they had considered 1 and 2 below. If they are not trinitarians and knew that the Father is the God of jesus, Rev 3:12. If they considered that Christ is subject to the Father, 1Cor 15:27-28.

this is still polytheism, have u read d greek mythology, zeus is God over d earth god, that is d samething u are preaching!